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Hallo,
mal gleich unseren Thread hier einrichten. Freue mich schon auf die neue Saison!!
Hi Thun :jap:
bin auch schon da
Sano
Hallo an alle Japan-Fans!
Hoffentlich wird diese Saison erfolgreich für uns und unsere Springer können vorne mitspringen.
頑張って !!
がんばれ日本！
Take a good season!
お久しぶりです。
Melde mich ebenfalls zurück, nachdem ich mir im September Hakuba nicht entgehen lassen habe.
日本チームをいっしょに応援しましょう！
Sieht ja so aus als ob Daiki Ito wohl riesige Probleme hat ein neues Team zu finden bzw. Sponsoren.
Irina - have you heard something new about Daiki Ito and a new team?
Alle Achtung! Team Japan war ja heute bei der Quali super in Form. So kann es ruhig weiter gehen!!!
Pippilotta
28.11.2008, 00:02
Kasai hat sich vom Team abgeschottet und in Vuokatti auf einer kleineren Schanze trainiert. Gab es da besondere Gründe?
Mit wem war er denn dort???
Team Japan für das Springen am Freitag:
- Fumihisa Yumoto
- Shôhei Tochimoto
- Taku Takeuchi
- Daiki Ito
Taku hatte einen sehr guten Trainingssprung während Ito und Yumoto in der Quali ziemlich gut waren. Tochimoto scheint auch formverbessert zu sein gegenüber seinen letzten Auftritten im Sommer GP.
Samstag sehen wir dann auch Kasai und Watase, da sich alle sechs qualifizieren konnten.
Kasai hat sich vom Team abgeschottet und in Vuokatti auf einer kleineren Schanze trainiert. Gab es da besondere Gründe?
Mit wem war er denn dort???
Mit seinem Trainer Topi Sarparanta. Soweit ich weiß waren nur die jungen Springer von Yliantilla eingeladen zum Trainingslager. Kasai ist erst vorgestern zum Team gestoßen. Der Finne konzentriert sich halt nur auf die Jungen. Kasai kann er eh nichts mehr beibringen und deshalb wird der auch wie manch anderer Springer sein eigenes Ding durchziehen. Nori fand es ganz cool mal ganz allein eine ganze Schanze für sich allein zu haben. Nur er, sein Trainer und dessen Vater waren da....
Funaki1998
28.11.2008, 13:13
The japanese team seems good but french commentator says that the japanese jumpers have jumped the most on snow among all the teams (90 jumps and the average is 40-45 jumps). Ammann and Kuettel jumped on snow for the first time this season during the first training for example.
Daiki's take-off was a bit better in Liberec if we compare the video from Youtube, in Liberec when he jumped 133,5 m and his qualifications jump yesterday but the french commentator said that he has a lot of strength.:zunge2: He was talking with the journalist commentator during Fumihisa's jump (because Descombes' jump was the best just before him I think...)...
He also said that Ylianttila fixed consequent goals for this season :)
I think we can finish 3rd today because Austria and Finland seem better and the others nations have difficulties (Thank you the young Gangnes and Schoft...).
What's up about the COC competitions in Rovaniemi ?
Daiki & Kenshiro Ito are looking for new team still now but are belong to Team Tsuchiya until this year. Daiki took a job interview after SAJ session
but couldn't get new sponsor. Team Tsuchiya divides Kasai, Yoshioka, Takahashi, Finnish Trainer Topi between Daiki, Kenshiro, Jani Klinga, Team superviser Kinoshita. I've heard Daiki has not no relation Tsuchiya and his new team will join Kasai and Team Tsuchiya.
It is pity that they leave but Tsuchiya company couldn't keep Jumping team as reccession....
I can't hear any COC news yet .
Funaki1998
29.11.2008, 19:57
I am vexed with our position. We are 7th in the teams classification and we have 2 jumpers among the pre-qualified jumper. After the individual competition, we were 3rd with 89 points ! It was very good.
Daiki Ito's last jump was horrible, only 3 meters more than the ukrainian jumper while Hautamaeki jumped 140, Malysz and Kranjec 133 meters... If yesterday, the competition wasn't postponed, we were 5th or maybe 4th ahead of the german team. :mad1:
But there is a positive point : Fumihisa and Shohhei are among the pre-qualified jumpers :)
I think that our jumpers have some difficulties when they have to do several jumps in a row or many jumps within a few days. Remember the sky flying in Oberstdorf? On the first day Daiki and Shôhei were very good, but on the 3rd and 4th day it didn't seem like they had a lot left.
Anyway, it is good we had 4 jumpers in the 2nd round - Shôhei especially did a very good 1st jump considering the circumstances.
Yumoto got his best career result in World Cup and the always underrated Watase scored some huge points with a nice 2nd jump today...
Overall Shôhei was our best jumper this weekend in my opinion..very consistent good jumping...:)
Funaki1998
06.12.2008, 16:37
The japanese are not in a good shape this week-end.
Only Daiki was good yesterday with the 5th best performance in the qualifications. Watase jumped bad and Yumoto was lucky to best among the pre-qualified.
Today, Takeuchi was the best during the trial round with the 27th postition. :(
The situation is similar to last year..we've got some jumpers who can make the 2nd round (usually at least 2, if we are lucky 4,5 or even 6), but we haven't really got anybody for a Top 10 result. Kuusamo were quite special conditions. However Daiki Ito surely has the talent to make the Top 10 regularly and Sunday was his best performance so far this winter so he might start improving now and get closer to the level he showed to us last summer.
By the way: Even though Watase was below-average this weekend, the many points he scored in Kuusamo might be enough to earn Japan 6 spots for the next period right? I sure hope so!
Does anybody know why Nori just got 9.0, 10.0 and 10.5 points from the Jury in the second Trondheim Qualifying? Saw it on FIS.com.
Michi : Kasai had a fall in 2nd Trondheim qualifying
I am sad to see that there is again no Japanese team in COC, just like in summer. Is financial situation in SAJ so difficult, so that they can't afford to send two teams parallel (WC and COC team) to compete in Europe?
Daiki showed some signs of improvement in 2nd Trondheim, I'm hoping he can finally establish himself in world's top 10. Nori is probably around top30 now, and I'm afraid that he is just to old to improve on that. Tochimoto / Yumoto / Takeuchi will have up and down results probably this season, I hope that we will see some more top10 results from them.
Watase had a great competition in Kuusamo, but somehow don't believe in him...
When is first domestic competition scheduled?
Funaki1998
12.12.2008, 13:23
There will have two competitions in Nayoro this week-end.
We'll see who will be the best in Japan. According to the results during the summer, Okabe and Sakuyama seem to be our best jumpers in Japan.
I hope Funaki TOP 3 the both competitions.
It is interesting to see if our young jump good or if one of them improved since the summer.
Last summer, Sakuyama was the best junior three times :
- Sapporo K-90 (07/2008)
- Myoko (09/2008)
- Hakuba (11/2008, only one competition)
Narita was the best four times :
- Asahi (07/2008)
- Nayoro (07/2008)
- Okurayama (10/2008, only one competition)
- Kazuno (11/2008)
Sakuyama never jumped when Narita won.
Then, Suzuki won the Okurayama competition in july and Watabe (nordic combined) won a competition in Shiozawa. Kento jumped during these competitions.
When I wrote 'only one competition', that's because the junior jumped in the same competition as the others but we can see the best junior.
Last year, the results were :
- 1st competition :
A : Tanaka - Sakano - Watase
Junior : Suzuki - Hosoda - Narita
-2nd competition :
A : Watase - Higashi - Yamada
Junior : A. Shimizu - Y. Yamada - Hosoda
But, there were 11 japanese in Europe (6+5).
Now, U have many informations. :D:
Michi : Kasai had a fall in 2nd Trondheim qualifying
That´s what I thought. Thanks for responding!!
Nayoro HS-100 13.12. 2008
1 Okabe ( 95. 95) 249.0
2 Shuji Endo 242.5
3 Hosoyama
At Junior Class, Sakuyama wins.
http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/flash/KFullFlash20081213038.html
Funaki1998
13.12.2008, 14:19
Yes, I already found the reuslts on nayoro-ski.net and I have the positions of many competitors.
Results Mens Here (http://www.nayoro-ski.net/PDF/39nari.pdf)
Results Junior Here (http://www.nayoro-ski.net/PDF/39boy.pdf).
1 OKABE 249,0
2 ENDO S. 242,5
3 HOSOYAMA 241,5
4 SAKANO 241,0
5 TANAKA 240,5
6 ITO K. 237,5
7 FUNAKI 233,0
7 UMEZAKI 233,0
9 OSANAI 232,0
10 FUNATO 226,0
11 MATSUNOO 224,5
12 YOSHIOKA 223,0
13 TAKAYANAGI 221,0
14 SASAKI 219,5
14 ENDO Y. 219,5
16 ENDO T. 218,0
17 SAKURAI K. 217,5
18 TAKANO 216,0
18 YAMADA 216,0
21 HIGASHI 214,5
21 YAMAMOTO 214,5
27 NISHIMORI 201,0
30 ISHIZAWA 186,5
DNS
TOCHIMOTO
WATASE
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1 SAKUYAMA 239,0
2 SUZUKI 221,5
3 WATANABE H. 220,5
4 HARADA 220,0
5 HOSODA 210,5
6 NARITA 209,0
7 KOBAYASHI 200,5
8 YOKOKAWA 194,0
9 SHIMIZU R. 192,5
10 WATANABE T. 180,5
11 SASAKI 179,0
12 MABUCHI 176,0
12 TAKAHASHI T. 176,0
14 SHIMIZU A. 174,0
15 FURUI 171,0
16 SATOH M. 160,5
17 YAMADA 153,5
20 TAKEHANA 144,0
The "special" jumpers are clearly ahead of the nordic combined.
The distances are not very good for the junior.
Thanks for posting this....please, keep posting Japan domestic results here, it is very difficult to find them for a non-japanese reading fan :)
Watase had a great competition in Kuusamo, but somehow don't believe in him...
I think that many of us underestimate Watase because on some weekends he is so far behind Shôhei or Taku like in Hakuba and Trondheim and even struggles with qualification..in backwind conditions he has more problems than other japanese in my opinion...however he is completely capable of making the 2nd round and actually does make it quite often..he has become a sure part of the Japanese team now and as long as we don't expect him to make the 2nd round every time we will be pleasently surprised by him.
If he keeps going like this and Sakuyama receives the opportunity he deserves Watase should not be the one who has to be replaced..:)
It might not last long, but it is fun to read Watase's name ahead of Romoeren and Malysz in the standings..
Funaki1998
14.12.2008, 03:39
Right, Yuta shouldn't be underrated because on some competitions, he can do the final round when there is no wind but with his technique, he can't be effective on flying hills... he doesn't jump with his legs but with too high shoulders at the take-off, so he is very passive and he could not have more speed during the flight. This technique is good on normal hills because he jumps high, but I think he could be very good if he pushes with his legs...
I think others japanese could have more difficulties than him when there is bad wind. Nori who has no height during the flight and the others like Tochimoto or Yumoto because their take-off are not very intense.
We have a japanese victory again! Fumihisa !!! So brave in these difficult conditions...the courage of a true japanese hero! :)
Nori 6th...
(and another good result for Watase) hehehe....
An exciting victory! Congratulations! おめでとう！
The Japanese are used to snowy weather. That's why they can cope with conditions like today.
AlleluiaGirl
14.12.2008, 14:29
Congrats
Yumoto 1st / Kasai 6th / Watase 12th - for sure this can't be the coincidence, our jumpers excell in difficult conditions.
Fumisha had a little luck with weather conditions, but probably so did some other jumpers that were not amongst the favorites - yet he was the only one who was able to produce great performance.
And the competition was not a total weather lottery, apart from Fumisha and Nori you will find usual names in the top10.
After all - this is skijumping - and in skijumping weather often creates some surprising results. Sometimes you lose, sometimes you win...
Today we WON :)
(and with this results, we are certain to have 6 starting places untill end of season!)
Funaki1998
14.12.2008, 15:13
Congrats Fumihisa ! 100 points and the 6th place in the standings !
:D::D:
A very good jump for Nori and another very good result for Yuta, once more...
Funaki1998
14.12.2008, 15:46
Results Nayoro 14/12/2008 :
1 OKABE 265,0
2 MATSUNOO 238,5
3 HOSOYAMA 236,0
4 ITO K. 234,5
5 HIGASHI 234,0
5 ENDO S. 234,0
7 YOSHIOKA 233,5
8 SAKURAI Y. 231,5
9 UMEZAKI 231,0
10 TANAKA 228,5
10 FUNAKI 228,5
12 TAKAYANAGI 228,0
13 TAKANO 227,5
14 ENDO T. 224,5
14 OSANAI 224,5
16 SAKANO 223,5
17 YAMAMOTO 222,0
18 FUNATO 217,5
19 ENDO Y. 215,5
20 MIYAMOTO K. 214,5
21 SAKURAI K. 212,5
26 ENDO K. 195,5
29 NISHIMORI 188,0
44 YAMADA 89,5
Results Junior :
1 SAKUYAMA 229,5
2 WATANABE 228,0
3 NARITA 226,0
4 SUZUKI 219,5
5 SHIMIZU R. 218,0
6 KOBAYASHI 217,5
7 HARADA 211,5
8 YOKOKAWA 208,0
9 HOSODA 201,0
10 YAMADA 198,5
11 SASAKI 194,0
12 WATANABE T. 175,5
13 MABUCHI 175,0
14 TAKANASHI 164,5
15 OKADA 162,5
16 SHIMIZU A. 162,0
17 SATOH M. 159,5
18 TAKAHASHI T. 158,5
19 HOKARI 153,5
19 FURUI 153,5
19 MIYABE 153,5
22 MIYASHITA Y. 148,5
23 URASAWA 143,5
24 TAKEHANA 141,5
31 SATO T. 58,5
Thanks again for posting this...
Okabe was clearly the best over two days, but it will be difficult to see who will be replaced in the A team, because all six have scored good WC points. Actually, Daiki has the least WC points currently which is a great surprise :brauen:
Okabe has shown he is clearly the No. 7 jumper right now, but the way things are going we need to continue with these 6 jumpers. On a good day it is possible to have 6 japanese in the 2nd round! Kenshiro Ito and Okabe received their opportunities and failed to impress...
Funato has been doing okay recently in japanese domestic competitions so this is a bit of a letdown.
Hosoda and Harada are again way behind Sakuyama, but even Sakuyama's total points is not extremely impressive.
As for me there is no doubt who are the best 6 japanese jumpers right now...
I found this article
http://www.nikkansports.com/sports/news/p-sp-tp0-20081215-440250.html
Here is the translation:
Yumoto Fumihisa (24 Jahre, Tokyo Biso) who is taking part in the World Cup series for the second year has achieved his first victory. With the longest jump of 126 m in the first round and 114.8 points he held the top position. Because the second round was cancelled due to strong wind an upset victory came his way. It has been the first triumph of the Japanese team for four years after Funaki Kazuyoshi’s victory in Sapporo in February, 2005. Altogether Yumoto is the 11th Japanese jumper to win after Miyahira Hideharu’s first victory in March, 1999.
Yumoto hold down Simon Amman (Switzerland) by 1.5 meters in distance and 1.2 points and thus controlled the competition. Having climbed the winner’s stand out of an ambush he did not hide his amazement: “I concentrated on the approach and when I took off the wind came my way.It was a real surprise for me.”
In his fourth year now after leaving school he has been chosen a member of the WC team for the first time, although his best results had been a 22nd place in Sapporo and an overall 58th place. He was elected a member of the team for the World Championship in Sapporo, but was not given the chance to compete. Nevertheless, he submitted without complaining to the training programme (strengthening of the lower half of the body) introduced by Kari Ylianttila, who has been appointed national coach since the 05/06 season, and thus could enhance his capability. This season improvements can be seen in the knee angle during approach and in the transmission of power to the feet at take-off. At the season opener in Kuusamo on 29 November he reached his best result ever since with an 8th place.
He also overcame his mental weakness which was described by people who know him as “Heart of a flea”. Today under the severe conditions of snowfall and strong wind he concentrated on the approach. The Chief coach Kanno, who belongs to the same club Tokyo Biso, praised the heroic deed by his apprentice: “He managed to show a jump of his unimpressed by snow and wind”. Kanno said: “(The changeable weather) is similar to Sapporo. The European jumpers have only little experience with bad conditions.”
Yumoto remained reserved: “I still don’t have the strength to jump into the top ten regularly, but I hope to continue on the level I have reached.” This has been the first step on the winner’s stand of the World Cup since the 3rd place of Kasai Noriaki in Garmisch-Partenkirchen in January, 2007. For the “Japanese Flying squad” who on the way to the 2010 Vancouver Olympics are fighting to get out of the depression suddenly a saviour has appeared.
Funaki1998
19.12.2008, 18:01
Daiki, Nori, Yuta and Shohhei out ! ;(;(;(;(
I am boring that 4 jumpers don't appear;(
SAJ has an internal problem.
http://www.nikkansports.com/sports/news/f-sp-tp0-20081217-441201.html (http://www.nikkansports.com/sports/news/f-sp-tp0-20081217-441201.html)
7 councilmen complained to a court that SAJ Chairman Yoshiro Ito had not better work.
They accuse him by the Chiairman selection in sempember was held by wrong way.
SAJ sets an 70 age limit but Ito is now 82 age. On the contrary, SAJ insists that he was selected by exception and SAJ directorates against opponents.
Youさんは日本の方ですか？
Ich weiß ja nicht ob die Quali auch so über die Bühne gegangen wäre, wenn die schlechten Bedingungen Österreich, Deutschland oder so getroffen hätte. Es wäre doch kein Problem gewesen, die ganz offensichtlich benachteiligen Springer noch mal nachspringen zu lassen. Aber es waren ja nur hauptsächlich Japaner, da ist das nicht so schlimm....
Sprungbärchen
20.12.2008, 18:10
Dafür hat Yumoto in Pragelato auf wundersame Art gewonnen. So ist Skispringen.
@ Irina
いいえ、ドイツ人です。
@ Thun
Oder man hätte einfach 15 Minuten warten können, bis das kleine Schneefallgebiet abgezogen ist. Warum ist niemand auf diese Idee gekommen?
@ Sprungbärchen:
Sehe ich nicht so. Es war keine wundersame Art, sondern hauptsächlich Gewöhntsein an Schneefall und dazu ein wenig Glück. Wenn Herr Thiele auf Eurosport sagt, das Unterste sei zu oberst gekehrt worden, stimmt das nicht. Yumoto war NICHT unterst, sondern hatte in Kuusamo bereits seine Qualitäten bewiesen!"
Dafür hat Yumoto in Pragelato auf wundersame Art gewonnen. So ist Skispringen.
Wobei in Pragelato die Springer schon ziemlich identische Bedingungen hatten und Yumoto diese Bedingungen kennt und weiß damit umzugehen.
In der Quali nun kann man wohl kaum von identischen Bedingungen sprechen und wie gesagt, man hätte anders handeln können. Mit Nachspringen oder wie You sagt mit einer Pause. Sonst ist das doch auch möglich und es war ja nicht so, dass man für Stunden hätte unterbrechen müssen. Es waren ja kaum ein paar Minuten und jeder hätte eine faire Chance gehabt.
Funaki1998
21.12.2008, 12:36
Why Takahashi is not in Ramsau ? I hope that's not because he is from Tsuchiya Team :(
As Takanashi caught a cold, he didn't participate in.
http://hochi.yomiuri.co.jp/sports/winter/news/20081220-OHT1T00272.htm
Nordic Combined B team comes to Europe(30.12-10.2.)
Aguri Shimizu, Yoshito Watabe, Junshiro Kobayashi, Hiroo Sasaki
http://www.ski-japan.or.jp/official/saj/articles/camp_20081222_01.html
Hi, you guys have any information which japanese jumpers will start at four hills tournament on 28/29th of december in oberstdorf definitely?
thx :)
Peter
Hi, you guys have any information which japanese jumpers will start at four hills tournament on 28/29th of december in oberstdorf definitely?
thx :)
Peter
Die Japner bleiben so wie bisher bis Bischofshofen bestehen und werden das Skifliegen am Kulm auslassen.
die Japaner lassen ein Fliegen aus? :( schade... Aber die wollen bestimmt mal nach Hause fliegen nach der Tournee ;)
die Japaner lassen ein Fliegen aus? :( schade... Aber die wollen bestimmt mal nach Hause fliegen nach der Tournee ;)
Für Zakopane haben sie sich schon gemeldet. Die waren eine halbe Ewigkeit nicht mehr dort.
Funaki1998
26.12.2008, 17:42
It's a good news if the junior Nordic Combined could jump already this year in World Cup !
I think they will jump in Predazzo in World Cup, one week after Bischof' for the special jumpers because on the SAJ site, they say that they will jump in Italy, so Predazzo is the only one possibility, right ?
On the daisetsu's blog, there are news pictures about the Christmas competition in Asahi which is scheduled each year http://pub.ne.jp/daisetsu/?cat_id=69332
I love Hiroo's Sasaki style, I think his style is the best of our junior combined. Yuusuke Narita's style is as well good, I don't understand why Ylianttila never works with him during the training camp... ?
Maybe, someone could contact the webmaster to ask him if he has others pictures for example the jumpers who are not in the TOP-3 or TOP-5 of the competitions...
Sapporo Skid, Nordic ski shop accepts Daiki and Kenshiro.
http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/flash/KFullFlash20081227017.html
They don't offer team activity and look after this winter season form January. So Daiki is lookng for sponsors.
War Kasai heute in Form.... Ich hoffe, so geht es weiter!! :D:
Das sieht ja mal so aus. Nori verbessert sich ja Stück für Stück und auch die Punktrichter bewerten seine Sprünge wieder besser. :D:
Erstaunt bin ich allerdings negativ von Ito und Takeuchi. Von den beiden hatte ich entschieden mehr erhofft.... ;(
Thiele hat in Garmisch gesagt, dass die Janapner Zakopane auslassen. Kann mich da jemand aufklären?
Planica239
03.01.2009, 00:53
bisschen off-topic,
aber hat mein liebling Kazu Funaki jetzt endgültig die Ski an den Nagel gehängt oder springt er immer noch bei regionalen Springen in Japan mit?
Ich kann mir es einfach nicht vorstellen dass er der "Funaki" auf den hier geposteten Ergebnislisten ist ;)....
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=WrV2dfIFFDM
Funaki1998
03.01.2009, 01:22
I am as well disappointed in with Daiki and Taku's results. Taku is our number 6.
But we have Yuta who improved, now he is better at the take-off. Tochimoto jumped bad in Oberstdorf, he was behind his skis but he improved in Garmish, he jumped more above his skis, it is better.
Nori tightened a bit his heels and he recovered smile in flight.
Sunday, there is the "special" competition like the last year with the duels and next week there are COC in Sapporo, I wonder who will participate in these competitions...
The juniors combined are in Austria this week-end. Today, there were the trainings. Yoshito Watabe is our best jumper, he was already good this summer. Then, Hiroo Sasaki and Kobayashi jumps not bad but they are not among the best. Aguri Shimizu confirms his results in Nayoro, he is in difficulty.
We are good as a team, we usually get 4 - 5 jumpers to the second round every competition, but we just don't have jumper capable of constant top10 result. I hope this will change in the future. It would be great if we could achieve 6th position in the Nations Cup, we are currently fighting for it with Russia.
yukijorou
03.01.2009, 12:09
bisschen off-topic,
aber hat mein liebling Kazu Funaki jetzt endgültig die Ski an den Nagel gehängt oder springt er immer noch bei regionalen Springen in Japan mit?
Ich kann mir es einfach nicht vorstellen dass er der "Funaki" auf den hier geposteten Ergebnislisten ist ;)....
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=WrV2dfIFFDM
Also am 19.10. ist er noch mitgesprungen und das nicht mal so schlecht (http://saj-data.jp/doc/JPRE20090019.pdf 4.) :) Kann mir nicht vorstellen, das er zwischenzeitlich aufgehört hat - da hätten wir was gehört...
Planica239
03.01.2009, 15:50
unglaublich die japaner ;).
die könnens einfach nicht lassen, fune - higashi - okabe, einfach verrückt :barb:
Yukijirushi Cup. 4.1. 2009. Miyanomori
http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/flash/KFullFlash20090104035.html
Okabe wins.
At Junior class Sakuyama wins.
http://www.tsuchiya.co.jp/ski/game_results/results/090104_jj.html
Today's Tv commentator Harada says Junior Sakuyama takes a strong
take off.
Jetzt scheint es offiziell zu sein. Die beiden Itos sind von Tsuchiyas Homepage entfernt worden. Team Tsuchiya besteht also nur noch aus Kasai, Yoshioka und Takahashi.
Bin gespannt wo die beiden Itos unterkommen werden...
yukijorou
04.01.2009, 12:42
Jetzt scheint es offiziell zu sein. Die beiden Itos sind von Tsuchiyas Homepage entfernt worden. Team Tsuchiya besteht also nur noch aus Kasai, Yoshioka und Takahashi.
Bin gespannt wo die beiden Itos unterkommen werden...
Sie sind doch schon untergekommen ;) :
Sapporo Skid, Nordic ski shop accepts Daiki and Kenshiro.
http://www.sponichi.co.jp/sports/flash/KFullFlash20081227017.html
They don't offer team activity and look after this winter season form January. So Daiki is lookng for sponsors.
Sie sind doch schon untergekommen ;) :
So wie ich hörte, ist das aber nur ein "Ski-Shop" und die wollen auch nur diese Wintersaison sponsorn. Also kein neues Team in dem Sinn... Bin gespannt wie es bei den beiden weiter geht.
Nori!!!!
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s53/Michi2112/smilies/happysmilies.gif
明けましておめでとうございます！
A Happy New Year to Everyone Here!
Today I found this article:
http://sportsnavi.yahoo.co.jp/winter/text/200901020011-spnavi.html
I tried a translation of the interview part:
Comments of the Japanese jumpers after GAP:
Kasai:
- The jumps were good, but the wind was bad, you know. Also during the second jump the weather became wild and I got side wind. Under these conditions there is nothing you can do, but I wanted to get a bit further.
With the ranks I am close to single numbers, now it is up to the conditions and to showing my best performance. My jumps need a bit of improvement. During the Four Hills Tournament I finally have come to feel my capacity and that’s why it is my wish to reach top ten ranks.
Q: You once won in Garmisch-Partenkirchen.
- I like the atmosphere here, but they have a new jumping hill (since the last season) so it is not funny anymore (laughing). The new hill is completely different. My feeling, I think, matched with the old one. The hills they now have in Germany and Austria are all of that kind and therefore they provide no fun. The one that is most difficult to jump from is (the last one) in Bischofshofen.
Q: In the first round you reached 125 meters and this was the same distance as Larinto (Finland), but you lost on the judges’ points. How was the feeling when you had to wait until the end to see whether you can continue as a lucky loser?
- I wished the other jumpers to have short jumps (laughing). I constantly checked my rank on television, Because either Ammann or Schlierenzauer would definitely remain (as a lucky loser) I thought it would become tight. If I had reached 130 meters I had been on the safe side.
Q: Who is likely to win the Four Hills Tournament?
- I would like Schlierenzauer to win though it seems that Ammann will do it. Schlierenzauer would come up to me and say “These shoes are nice. I think I should change mine.” That’s why I want him to win.
Itô:
- During my first jump the tail of my skis hit (against each other) and so I lost about 5, 6 meters.
Q: Four competitions within a short time. Do you change the method of keeping in shape?
- This time it is an especially long spell of being abroad. Therefore I have to make sure not to become too tired. But because it is not possible to jump after just relaxing it is essential to maintain your fitness by doing light jogging etc.
Q: Your aim for the Four Hills Tournament?
- There is a lot, but since I am not satisfied with my psychic condition, it seems I cannot set aims for the time being ...
As a first step I just want to show my best possible jumps in each competition.
Yumoto:
- My first jump was good, but then strain came through. The second jump went further, but didn’t turn out like I wanted it to be. I thought I could reach a little more distance .... During the approach my viewing direction went down a bit too much and thus my movement in the latter half became bad..
It is four hills on which you have to fight to get points and also the K.O. system is only applied here, therefore I am enjoying the Tournament.
Q: I sthere a jumper to like to face in the K.O. system?
- Evensen (Norwegen). Because once in a competitionI reached the same points as he in a first round.
Q: You have already reached one World Cup victory in this season.
- I look at it (the victory) as if it was not me who accomplished it..... Once you cling to that too much you cannot do your own jumps anymore. That’s why I try to completely forget that and to concentrate merely on what I am doing.
Q: Which jumper will win the overall victory in the Four Hills Tournament?
It will be me, hahahahaha. Well, I would say Ammann.
Tochimoto:
- I have become a bit better than before but I am not satisfied. Shortly before my first jump I had an accident , that’s why I was hasty when I jumped and could not concentrate at all.
Watase:
- I felt strain during the approach. But still I was able come into the second round. Since this had been my aim it feels good that I reached it.
Q: Your opponent in the first round, Romoeren (Norway), jumps excellently when he has got a proper jump. Was he an unwelcome rival?
- Well, whoever will be your rival it makes no difference..... Maybe I thought that I was a bit lucky because he is not in good shape, but I have to do my jump anyway.
Takeuchi:
- I am still tending to bend my body. I am doing this also in the simulation training. Even when I jump as I always did my left ski will go down and get distorted. Because I cannot exercise now (except for a limited time) I am not given a chance to improve this and I can only build on imagination. Although I am in good physical shape I cannot jump. Including the qualification there are three jumps for exercise. I hope that I can use one of those jumps as a chance for a straightforward jump.
Funaki1998
05.01.2009, 22:58
Thanks Irina for the interviews. It is interesting to notice that Fumihisa tries to forget his victory and it's a good thing.
I was very happy with Nori's jumps in Innsbruck ! Even Yuta shows that he is able to win good points when it is not a lottery, maybe his best competition this year.
In COC, the junior were in Austria and Yoshito Watabe won one point and this is the only point young japanese won this week-end.
Kobayashi was 3rd after the jump sunday, but he finished 55th the competition with the 65th cross-country time... As Well Watabe was 4th after the jump and he managed to save one point...
As for sure, they have to leave Nordic Combined, even if they are very young, I think they could become not bad jumpers...
On Irina's blog, she wrote :
"At Junior class Sakuyama wins.
http://www.tsuchiya.co.jp/ski/game_r...090104_jj.html (http://www.tsuchiya.co.jp/ski/game_results/results/090104_jj.html)
Today's Tv commentator Harada says Junior Sakuyama takes a strong
take off.
Commentator harada looks happy his team Okabe wins."
I am happy to see that these competitions were broadcasted ! I have to watch these competitions because I'd like a lot to see many japanese ! Thanks for your help.
News from today:
Ylianttila will choose Liberec team by the end of January
Ylianttila will send 5 jumpers to the World Championships in Liberec.
Yumoto is already fixed. Jumpers who either reach a top three rank in the Vancouver WCs or are among the best 15 in the WC ranking on 25 January will be automatically qualified. Otherwise the members of the team will be decided according to WC points and placements in national competitions.
The jumpers will return to Japan on 8 January and not participate in the four competitions to come.
from:
http://sportsnavi.yahoo.co.jp/other/headlines/ski/20090107-00000003-kyodo_sp-spo.html
News from today:
Ylianttila will choose Liberec team by the end of January
Ylianttila will send 5 jumpers to the World Championships in Liberec.
Yumoto is already fixed. Jumpers who either reach a top three rank in the Vancouver WCs or are among the best 15 in the WC ranking on 25 January will be automatically qualified. Otherwise the members of the team will be decided according to WC points and placements in national competitions.
The jumpers will return to Japan on 8 January and not participate in the four competitions to come.
from:
http://sportsnavi.yahoo.co.jp/other/headlines/ski/20090107-00000003-kyodo_sp-spo.html
I think that the team is pretty certain to consist of Yumoto / Kasai / Ito / Tochimoto and Watase...there are many good teams now, so we will probably fight for the 6th position with Russia in team competition. Wonder if Nori can fight for top5 in the Normal Hill competition?
yukijorou
07.01.2009, 19:18
I think that the team is pretty certain to consist of Yumoto / Kasai / Ito / Tochimoto and Watase...there are many good teams now, so we will probably fight for the 6th position with Russia in team competition. Wonder if Nori can fight for top5 in the Normal Hill competition?
But in the article they say Okabe might also have a chance (after winning 3 national competidions in a row) - I hope he gets the chance :D:
Funaki1998
07.01.2009, 23:30
MK23 : We will fight with Russia for the 5th position because we can remove Switzerland for the teams competitions :)
I think the team should be : Daiki - Kasai - Yumoto - Watase - Tochimoto
Watase could be very good on the K-90 because his technique is very good for these hills. Tochimoto should participate as well because he can get an experience.
MK23 : We will fight with Russia for the 5th position because we can remove Switzerland for the teams competitions :)
I think the team should be : Daiki - Kasai - Yumoto - Watase - Tochimoto
Watase could be very good on the K-90 because his technique is very good for these hills. Tochimoto should participate as well because he can get an experience.
Silly me, I forgot that ;) But what is funny, I think we have better team (at least based on WC results) than in 2007, yet we won bronze then.
So, who knows....
yukijorou
09.01.2009, 15:30
Okabe won the COC in Sapporo with 262 points (2nd place was 239 points...) I wonder what Ylianttila will decide now
Funaki1998
09.01.2009, 18:03
Okabe won easily today with the same distances as the last week competition. Hosoyama on the podium, it is interesting as well.
The others jumpers Shuji Endo and Tanaka were very good at the trainings, but Shuji Endo finished 15th the competition with a difficult second jump and Tanaka was disqualified.
A 7th spot in World Cup is possible if Okabe wins many points this week-end.
The juniors are in Pragelato, today, there were the trainings and Yoshito Watabe is very good ! He jumped 124 and 129 meters. I think those jumps were very good. It is a bit more difficult for Kobayashi with 117,5 meters and 121 meters in second round with a gate lower.
Yes, but the question is will we be participating in the 5th period at all (except of course Sapporo competitions). Does anybody know when the team is returning to Europe?
Okabe will probably get a place for Vancouver competitions instead of Takeuchi....
Does anybody have complete results from today, because as I understand many additional Japanese jumpers took part in competition, but they were not entered for continental cup evaluation? I'm interested in Funaki's result...
yukijorou
09.01.2009, 19:13
I couldn't find the complete result yet, but i found this: http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20090109-00000023-maip-spo
It says that the A-team also took part. Kasai 2nd, Yumoto 4th, Watase 5th, Hosoyama 5th. In the article Okabe is called the best Japanese jumper at the moment. He increased his strength training, because if one becomes older, the body gets weaker. He wants to prevent that. Especially he trained the inner muscles (i'm not sure what they mean with that).
To become a member of the team for the Championships, one has to take part in the Worldcup - Okabe didn't have a chance yet this year. But Ito (from SAJ) says, that they'll take everything into consideration.
PS: http://hochi.yomiuri.co.jp/sports/winter/news/20090108-OHT1T00283.htm it says Funaki & Co. will participate tomorrow and on Sunday, so he didn't take part in todays competition
PPS: result
1. Okabe (262), 2. Kasai (246), 4. Yumoto (235.5), 5. Watase (234.5), 6. Hosoyama (228), 7. Sakuyama (226), 8. Takeuchi, Yoshioka and Osanai (223)
Thanks :)
So Okabe was full 16 points ahead of Kasai? Interesting...
I am impressed about Kasais second place if you remember he just got back from Europe and had no time to relaxe.
Last time when he came from Japan to Finland he said he nearly need a week to get over jetlag and now he is jumping without any rest. He also said he did not sleep on the flight back home. So he hardly can be in top condition at the moment... Old guys need more time to get in top form again.... :D:
yukijorou
10.01.2009, 10:44
Today Kasai was the best Japanese (2nd, 121,5m + 126,5m). Okabe had a bad jump in the first round and became 11th at the end. Yumoto had the best jump (138,5m) in the second round and became 3rd.
4th Endo, 5th Ito D., 6th Watase, 9th Tochimoto, 22nd Yoshioka
http://mainichi.jp/enta/sports/general/general/news/20090110k0000e050095000c.html
http://news.goo.ne.jp/article/kyodo/sports/CO2009011001000330.html
Funaki1998
10.01.2009, 13:39
Complete resutls here : http://www.age.ne.jp/x/sas/sas2005/Jump/htb2009_results.pdf
Sklett was better than Kasai and the others japanese today.
1st : Sklett
2nd : Kasai
3rd : Yumoto
4th : Endo Tomoya
5th : Daiki Ito
6th : Watase
7th : Ulmer
8th : Mechler
9th : Tochimoto
10th : Choi H-C
The others japanese :
11th : Okabe
12th : Osanai
13th : Tanaka
14th : Takeuchi (...)
17th : Funaki
19th : Kenshiro Ito
20th : Sakuyama
22nd : Yoshioka
24th : Suzuki
29th : Watanabe H.
32nd : Nishimori
33th : Ishizawa
34th : Higashi
35th : Endo K.
36th : Endo S.
38th : Umezaki
39th : Yamada H.
41st : Harada
45th : Narita
46th : Sakano
49th : Funato
50th : Sasaki
The others jumped only once. There are : Yokokawa, Endo Y., Takano, Matsunoo, Chonan, Takayanagi, Hosoda, Sakurai, Hosoyama, Yamada Y. and Tomoya Watanabe, 13 years old.
yukijorou
11.01.2009, 10:02
Okabe won again!!!
1. Okabe (296,5 - 141 + 139m)
2. Higashi (273,8 - 134+ 129,5m)
3. Ito D. (269,3 - 129,5 + 131,5m)
3. Kasai (same)
5. Funaki (259,6 - 132,5 + 124,5m)
6. Yumoto
9. Tochimoto
14. Yoshioka
Okabe really deserves to return to the A-Team after Sapporo! He is in great shape and I'm expecting him to do very well as part of the national group in Sapporo and he could then be part of the team for Liberec as well..It is amazing that he and Kasai are the japanese jumpers scoring the best results right now!!
With Ito, Okabe, Kasai, Yumoto and Watase in good shape we should be more competitive in Sapporo than last year when only Takeuchi was able to finish Top10.;)
1. Okabe - 38 years
2. Higashi - 37 years
3. Kasai - 36.5 years
5. Funaki - 34 years
You got to love japanese jumpers :D:
I think Okabe will go to Vancouver WC already instead of Takeuchi, or maybe they will decide to rest Nori for that competition which would be good decision in my opinion...
Funaki will now surely get a place in a national group for Sapporo WC, his last WC appearance was way back on 20.03.2005 in Planica!
Funaki1998
11.01.2009, 13:16
I wonder why Takeuchi should go in Vancouver if Okabe is much better...
The national group should be : Okabe - Funaki - Higashi - Kenshiro - Sakuyama but I don't know who could be the 6th because there are some jumpers who can jump in World Cup (Osanai, Yoshioka, Shuji Endo, Hosoyama, Tanaka...)
Tochimoto fell after his first jump (136,5 meters).
Watase is only 23rd :(
I agree with this national group! The 6th jumper of those you mentioned could be Osanai...it is going to be so exciting to see Funaki back in World Cup after such a long time!! I think we may not see as many jumpers as last year going to Sapporo (because for many it could be too much travelling --> Canada-->Japan-->Europe) so Kazuyoshi could score some points which would be great.
Übrigens Lukas: Letztes Jahr war Team Japan in Zakopane am Start. War jedoch nur das B-Team, aber immerhin mit Watase einer, der jetzt fest zum A-Team gehört.;)
Funaki1998
11.01.2009, 17:05
Yes, last year, there were Higashi - Watase - Tanaka - Hosoyama with Harada because the COC (in Braunlage I think) was cancelled. So, many teams decided to go in Zakopane in World Cup like the USA or France with Descombes Sevoie who had to jump in COC this week-end...
If we compare Watase today to Zakopane last year he has improved so much....right now he would probably be a part of our team for the team competition in Liberec, but a lot can change within the next month...
Funaki1998
11.01.2009, 22:28
Even if we compare Watase this year to last summer in Courchevel or Hakuba for example...
Now, his technique is very good and he can still improve. I think, he can beat his best result in World Cup, 8th in Park City 2001, in Sapporo if he jumps as good as Innsbruck or Bishof'...
But I think he will be better on the K-90 in Liberec because his technique is very good for these hills.
His problem is to accelerate in flight, but the day he corrects this, he can be among the best 13-15 each competition I think and sometimes better.
Okabe darf zum Springen nach Vancouver. Er ersetzt Takeuchi.
Funaki1998
12.01.2009, 22:51
Today, there was another competition, with the duels.
Okabe won ahead of Kasai, Tochimoto and Daiki Ito in the final round.
There were very nice duels already in quarter final :
Yumoto was beaten by Daiki, Yoshioka by Watase, Takeuchi by Higashi, Sakurai by Kasai, Sakuyama by Funaki, Osanai by Tochimoto, Kenshiro by Shuji Endo and Tanaka by Okabe.
In semi-final, Watase was beaten by Daiki, Higashi by Nori, Funaki by Tochimoto and Shuji Endo by Okabe.
For the moment, I haven't got the complete results to know who were not in the Top-16 but we can have a good opinion for this competition.
As for me, this "special" system is very nice and innovative.
Last year, Watase won the competition but the best were in Predazzo in World Cup.
Okabe won the 3rd competition this week-end (we can say that we are still in week-end) and the 6th competition in Japan since the beggining of the winter....
Funaki1998
14.01.2009, 19:58
Shoh Suzuki won a Fis Cup in China today ahead of Mechler and Faller. He was already the best during the trainings... I think he is able to be in the TOP-10 or 15 in the World Junior Championships even if Kento will be our leader I think. Hiroaki Watanabe is 5th, but he was a bit better in the trainings, I think our junior team could be : Sakuyama - Suzuki - Narita - Watanabe. I think they are our best 4 juniors this winter.
It is a very good result for Suzuki. If Sakuyama and Suzuki both end up Top 10 in WJC it will be good news, I think. In this case we could be competing for a medal in the team competition, but I don't really know how strong the other countries juniors are at this point.
Funaki1998
17.01.2009, 12:48
NHK Cup today in Sapporo :
1. Okabe
2. Kasai
3. Daiki
4. Yumoto
5. Funaki
6. Takeuchi
7. Yoshioka
8. Higashi
9. Osanai
10. Tochimoto
Okabe has 25 points more than Kasai !
Good result for Funaki who validate his ticket for the World Cup I think.
Tochimoto proves once more that he is not consistent at all and he must improve in bad conditions (I hope it was bad conditions...). What does Kenshiro ? Not very good results for the very young... but we are lucky to have Funaki in a good shape !
NHK Cup today in Sapporo :
1. Okabe
2. Kasai
3. Daiki
4. Yumoto
5. Funaki
6. Takeuchi
7. Yoshioka
8. Higashi
9. Osanai
10. Tochimoto
Okabe has 25 points more than Kasai !
Good result for Funaki who validate his ticket for the World Cup I think.
Tochimoto proves once more that he is not consistent at all and he must improve in bad conditions (I hope it was bad conditions...). What does Kenshiro ? Not very good results for the very young... but we are lucky to have Funaki in a good shape !
As I heard it was changeable wind again and Kasai hit bad wind in the first round (as mostly). He and the wind seems not to be best buddies....
Na endlich hat Kasai auch mal gewonnen.... Okabe ist zweiter und Tochimoto 3.
Wurde der COC live übertragen?
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=K52lrziDCgM&fmt=18
Was ist denn das hier für ein Springen?
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=PuY6qOUd2Bc&fmt=18
Der COC in Sapporo war gekoppelt mit einem Pokalspringen im nationalen Rahmen. (Es gibt dann auch zwei Ergebnislisten.) Diese Pokalwettkämpfe werden häufig im Regionalfernsehen übertragen.
Der zweite Clip ist von so einem Pokalspringen, und zwar dem HBC-Pokal am 12. 1. (HBC ist ein Regionalsender.)
Ganz vergessen @ Lukas:
Danke für die Links! Einen jubelnden Funaki habe ich schon lange nicht mehr sehen können!
Weißt du wie der TV-Sender heißt?
Ich war verwundert, dass so viele Zuschauer an der Schanze standen. Ich hoffe das es ein gutes Vorzeichen für den WC übernächste Woche ist.
Es sind verschiedene Sender. In Japan ist es so, daß große landesweite Sender mit regionalen Sendern verknüpft sind. Auf der Insel Hokkaidô (wo Sapporo ist) gibt es die Regionalsender HBC, STV, HTB und TVh. Diese richten Pokalspringen aus. In diesem Winter gab davon bisher vier: den HTB-Pokal am 10. 1., den STV-Pokal am 11. 1., den HTB-Pokal am 12. 1. und den TVh-Pokal am 18. 1. Dazu kam der Pokal des landesweiten halbstaatliches Senders NHK am 17. 1.
Diese Sender übertragen dann auch die jeweiligen Springen.
Auch die beiden WCs werden aufgeteilt werden.
Was die Zuschauer angeht, so hoffe ich natürlich auf guten Besuch. Es ist allerdings ein japanisches Phänomen, daß Springen im nationalen Rahmen oftmals besser besucht werden als international besetzte.
Was die Zuschauer angeht, so hoffe ich natürlich auf guten Besuch. Es ist allerdings ein japanisches Phänomen, daß Springen im nationalen Rahmen oftmals besser besucht werden als international besetzte.
Liegt das vielleicht an den Eintrittspreisen? Ist der Eintritt bei den nationalen Springen kostenlos und der Entritt für den WC überteuert?
Auf der einen Seiten ist es schön, dass die Japaner ihre eigenen Springer so unterstützten. Aber wenn sich Sapporo dann im WC vor der Welt vorstellt sind diese rießigen Zuschauerränge leer und das wirft dann so ein schlechtes Bild auf den Veranstalter. So nach dem Motto "Skispringen interessiert in Japan kaum niemanden". Aber nur wenn man den Hintergrund kennt kann man sich ein besseres Bild davon machen.
Funaki1998
20.01.2009, 22:43
Wurde der COC live übertragen?
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=K52lrziDCgM&fmt=18
Was ist denn das hier für ein Springen?
http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=PuY6qOUd2Bc&fmt=18
Thanks a lot !!!!!!
Funaki's beautiful style is back ! Now, there isn't problems anymore with the team for the World Cup and the World Championships : Kasai, Daiki, Funaki and Okabe must jump all the winter in World Cup, because their style are the best of all our jumpers. I hope the team in Liberec will be this one, the kamikaze japanese team is back ! :D:
(Anyone can translate when Funaki is talking during the duels competition video, just before his duel with Tochimoto I think ?)
@ Lukas:
An den Eintrittspreisen liegt es nicht. Es gibt keine (oder keine nennenswerten) Unterschiede zwischen nationalen und internationalen Springen. Die Preise sind sehr moderat. In Deutschland bezahlt man weitaus mehr.
In Japan gibt es ja, wie allgemein bekannt, die Teams der verschiedenen Firmen. Die haben ihre Fans. Wenn also nationale Wettkämpfe stattfinden, dann treten die Springer der einzelnen Teams an und die Fans unterstützen die Springer "ihrer" Mannschaften. In WC- oder COC-Springen dagegen tritt ein japanisches Auswahlteam an, in dem Springer verschiedener Teams zusammmen sind. Daher sind diese Wettkämpfe für etliche Fans weniger interessant.
Hinzu kommt, daß viele der besten und namhaftesten Springer nicht nach Japan kommen und damit die Springen nicht besonders attraktiv sind. Japaner lieben Stars - mehr als Leute anderer Nationen das tun. Sind sie nicht zu sehen, dann fällt der Zuspruch geringer aus.
@ Funaki 1998
Although I heard several interviews with Funaki and should be used to his way of talking I don't understand everything he is saying.
He starts with: "It was dangerous (jumping after Sakuyama)". Then something like "because he is a junior (?)" The last part is like: " The next duel will be hard. I will be the one who puts the pressure."
Benjamin
21.01.2009, 00:12
So ganz kann ich es auch noch nicht nachvollziehen. Mich erinnert diese Schilderung ein bisschen an die deutsche Bundesliga im Fußball. Da ist es ja im Prinzip genauso: Die Menschen unterstützen die Sportler "ihrer" Teams und feuern sie an. Aber wenn dann die zusammengewürfelte Nationalmannschaft bei der Welt- oder Europameisterschaft spielt, wächst die Begeisterung in der Bevölkerung deutlich an - es gibt wohl kaum einen Fußballfan, der gerade bei der WM den Fernseher ausschaltet - sehr wohl aber viele, die bei der WM zusehen, obwohl sie sich sonst nicht für Fußball interessieren.
Ähnlich geht es mir mit den Stars, die du angesprochen hast: Die japanischen Stars können ja sicher nicht an allen nationalen Wettkämpfen teilnehmen, da sie ja lange Zeit in Europa verbringen. Bei den Heimweltcups sind aber auch sie zu sehen - und zusätzlich noch einige weitere Stars, wenngleich nicht so viele wie vielleicht bei anderen Weltcupspringen. So richtig erklärt das das Verhalten der japanischen Besucher aus meiner Sicht auch nicht.
yukijorou
21.01.2009, 19:57
Daiki and Kenshiro found a new sponsor - for the rest of the season. Well, better than nothing... Oh, and it's Hitachi.
@ Benjamin
Eine hundertprozentig stimmige Erklärung kann ich sicher auch nicht geben. Ich möchte meinen Eindruck mal so fassen:
Die innerjapanischen Springen sind für die Fans überschaubarer, weil man die Mannschaften und Springer kennt. Bei WC-Springen sind nur wenige Japaner dabei, die meisten der ausländischen Springer kennt man nicht oder kaum, somit kann man mit ihnen nicht so viel anfangen wie mit den japanischen Springern, die bei den häufigen Pokalwettkämpfen regelmäßig dabei sind. Die Springer anderer Länder kommen ja nur zweimal im Jahr nach Japan und man weiß, daß etliche aus der Weltspitze gar nicht dabei sind. Aus dem Fernsehen kennt man die Springer auch kaum, da WC-Springen aus Europa in der Regel nicht übertragen werden.
Mit Bundesliga und deutscher Fußball-Nationalelf kann man das m. E. überhaupt nicht vergleichen, schon deshalb nicht, weil Fußball bei uns die Sportart Nr. 1 ist und Siege gegen andere Länder zur Prestigefrage hochstilisiert werden. Skispringen in Japan steht nicht im Mittelpunkt des medialen Interesses und bekommt auch nicht die Aufgabe zugeschoben, durch Siege Nationalgefühl zu vermitteln. Das einzige Ereignis, dem in dieser Hinsicht in Japan Bedeutung beigemessen wird, sind Olympische Spiele.
Funaki1998
21.01.2009, 22:15
The team for the Junior World Championships training in Nayoro (so, for Strbske Pleso as well I think...) :
- Kenshiro Ito
- Sakuyama
- Suzuki
- Watanabe
- Narita
I think it is a very good team even if Harada improved and he was better than Kenshiro last week-end in Sapporo : Kenshiro was 21st and 22nd while Harada was 15th and 11th....
Kenshiro is still a junior, I don't understand because he is in the National B-Team and not in the National Junior Team...
Yes,I dont undertand it, too.2 years ago some people say hes on a good way and i had think it there,too.But in the last time he dont be better then 2 years ago.He is standing also at the same point.
Man ist der Kasai in Form und klasse Okabe.
Hast recht Sano. Mich überrascht Nori immer wieder. Aber auch Okabe springt gut. Sein Schmunzeln sagt mehr als tausend Worte....
Team Japan für Sapporo
Okabe, Kasai, Watase, Tochimoto, Yumoto, Ito, Funaki, Sakano, Yoshioka, Yamada, Osanai
Falls ich einen vergessen hab tut es mir leid....:)
Team Japan für Sapporo
Okabe, Kasai, Watase, Tochimoto, Yumoto, Ito, Funaki, Sakano, Yoshioka, Yamada, Osanai
Falls ich einen vergessen hab tut es mir leid....:)
Wird Higashi nicht dabei sein? Besteht da noch für ihn eine Chance? Jetzt habe ich den extra für mein Wintersportspiel geholt, weil Janda in Japan nicht starten wird und jetzt sowas. Dann muss ich ihn wieder verkaufen.
Du scheinst Glück zu haben, Lukas.
Hier:
http://sportsnavi.yahoo.co.jp/other/headlines/ski/20090127-00000018-kyodo_sp-spo.html
stehen Okabe, Kasai, Watase, Tochimoto, Yumoto, Itô und Takeuchi als WC-Team und
Higashi, Funaki, Sakano, Yoshioka, Yamada und Osanai als nationale Gruppe.
Du scheinst Glück zu haben, Lukas.
Hier:
http://sportsnavi.yahoo.co.jp/other/headlines/ski/20090127-00000018-kyodo_sp-spo.html
stehen Okabe, Kasai, Watase, Tochimoto, Yumoto, Itô und Takeuchi als WC-Team und
Higashi, Funaki, Sakano, Yoshioka, Yamada und Osanai als nationale Gruppe.
Sehr schön. Dann hoffe ich mal, dass er ein paar Punkte für mich sammelt. ;)
Funaki1998
27.01.2009, 23:14
Yes, it is a great national group for this year. Tanaka and Hosoyama could be chosen but it is difficult to say because one competition Yoshioka will be among Tanaka and Hosoyama and, another day Yoshioka or Yamada will have a bad competition...
As for sure, I am happy to see Yoshioka and Yamada because they were very promising jumpers and the youngsters Funaki / Higashi :D:
Now, Takeuchi can find again the A-Team thanks to the 7th spot, so we have 13 jumpers.
Mal wieder Pech für Kasai. Pünktlich zum Heimspringen hat er sich eine schwere Grippe aus Canada mitgebracht und darf nicht springen, da er hohes Fieber hat.
Je nachdem wie schnell er sich erholt, könnte er vielleicht beim zweiten Springen dabei sein. Wenn er aber wirklich so hohes Fieber hat, dann denke ich ist das ehr unwahrscheinlich.
Letztes Mal war es doch der Novo-Virus, der ihn beim Springen in Sapporo erwischt hatte. Zuhause springen soll wohl nicht sein....
Für ihn wurde Umezaki nachnominiert.
http://www.nikkansports.com/sports/news/f-sp-tp0-20090129-455141.html
Kasai scheint wirklich das Pech an den Schuhsohlen zu kleben. Tut mir wirklich leid für ihn!
Hier ist mal wieder ein Artikel, den ich heute gefunden habe, diesmal in der Asahi-Zeitung über Taku:
http://www.asahi.com/sports/spo/TKY200901290098.html
Am 31. hebt sich an der Ôkurayama-Schanze der Vorhang zum Skisprung-WC in Sapporo. Der unter Formschwäche leidende 21jährige Takeuchi Taku hat eine Weile in der Heimat trainiert, um dort eine Verbesserung zu zeigen. Es ist die letzte Chance, für das Nationalteam bei der Weltmeisterschaft in Tschechien im Februar ausgewählt zu werden. Darum möchte er in die oberen Ränge gelangen.
Takeuchi hatte in der vergangegen Saison hier mit dem 8. Platz die höchste Plazierung eines Japaners erreicht, zweimal war er im WC unter den Top 10 und war auf Platz 28 der beste Japaner in der WC-Gesamtwertung. Damit wurde er in den A-Kader aufgenommen und man sah in ihm einen Kandidaten für die Rettung des im Abschwung befindlichen japanischen Sprungteams. Jedoch war in dieser Saison ein 14. Platz seine beste Plazierung und enttäuschende Resultate wiederholten sich, so daß er gezwungen war, während der Saison die WC-Mannschaft zu verlassen.
“Mein Anlauf ist nicht stabil, es sind Schwankungen drin”, so seine Analyse. Auch der nationale Sprungtrainer Saitô urteilt: “Die Sprünge sind zu etwa 60 Prozent fertig. Am besten weiß er selbst es sicher am besten.” Bedrängt durch die Leistungen von Altmeistern wie Okabe, die in nationalen Wettkämpfen einen Sieg nach dem anderen erreichen, hatte er das Startrecht bei den vorolympischen Springen in Whistler an Okabe abgegeben.
Nun ist er in Sapporo erneut ins WC-Team berufen, aber er setzt sein Training mit der Devise fort: “Wenn ich Selbstvertrauen habe, kann ich auch weiter fliegen.” Daß ihm Heimattraining auferlegt wurde, ist “im Gegenteil eine Chance”, wie er mit einer Mischung von Traurigkeit und Entschlossenheit meint. “Das Bild im Kopf und meine Körperbewegungen stimmen nicht überein. Ich konnte mich während der laufenden Wettkämpfe im Ausland nicht steigern, hier zu Hause kann ich ohne Hetzerei trainieren..”
Als er in der 5. Klasse war, war er überwältigt von den japanischen Erfolgen bei den Olympischen Spielen von Nagano und entschloß sich , mit dem Skispringen zu beginnen. Nachdem er die Mittelschule in Iiyama abgeschlossen hatte, war er zum Lernen nach Finnland gegangen und hatte dort ganz allein an seiner Technik gefeilt. “Meine Form ist langsam angestiegen. Beim WC werde ich Kampfgeist zeigen und mich anstrengen.”
Danke für den Artikel, You.
Taku war letztes Jahr der beste japanische Springer, aber in dieser Saison hat ihm auch vor der 4-Schanzentournee schon die Konstanz gefehlt, die er 2007/2008 hatte.
Aber...Taku zeigte sich stark verbessert in den ersten beiden Trainingssprüngen. :) Hoffe die Formkurve zeigt weiter nach oben bei ihm. Ich finde er ist wichtig für die japanische Mannschaft, da er bewiesen hat konstant auf gutem Niveau springen zu können.
Ich drücke ihm auch ganz doll die Daumen! Ich finde es nämlich gut, daß bei der Übermacht der Springer aus Hokkaidô auch mal einer aus Nagano sich wacker im A-Kader schlägt, was bestimmt nicht ganz einfach ist.
Not a great result today (except for Watase), hopefully tomorrow would be better. It is such a shame that Kasai got sick.
One thing I find fascinating : after today's competition we have currently 8 jumpers in top 55 WRL! Only Norway has also 8, Germany has 7, and Austria has only 6 :aetsch:
Hehehe right, though I'd like to have our jumpers in the positions of the Austrians... anyway we have many competitive jumpers who score points regularly (Kasai, Okabe, Watase, Ito, Yumoto) while two of our jumpers (Tochimoto and Takeuchi) were quite consistent last year, but have been a bit off this year.
Anyway Tochimoto's shape has been encouraging in Sapporo. After good practice jumps in Vancouver he struggled in the competition (perhaps due to the lower in-run speed) and it was the same thing here and he was lucky to make the 2nd round, but his 2nd round jump and his practice jumps have been encouraging.
Watase was the least impressive of our A-Team jumpers in practice, but he got the best result...quite amazing and yet again he managed to surprise me with such an excellent result..:)
Japanese Jump Team for Liberec:
Kasai
Okabe
Itô
Yumoto
The fifth place will either be Watase or Tochimoto. The WC results until 11 February will decide.
http://sportsnavi.yahoo.co.jp/other/headlines/ski/20090131-00000051-kyodo_sp-spo.html
Here are the ladies:
Yamada Izumi
Watase Ayumi (Yûta's sister)
Takeda Ayuka
Itô Yûki (15 years old)
Funaki1998
31.01.2009, 22:48
I think Yuta will be chosen because he is efficient on the K-90 hills with his technique. Furthermore, Yuta is consistent, so it is interesting for the team competition.
To be honnest, I think that it would be unfair for Tochimoto if his results are good till Willingen... Yumoto should be replace by him if he continues with his current hectic style even if he won once this year.
So, I disagree with this. We have to choose our 5 best jumpers at the moment...
I agree with this completely. Yumoto's style is very hectic and there are too many jumps which go completely wrong such as the 1st round in Vancouver on sunday or the first ones in Garmisch (where he was very lucky with his opponent) and Bischofshofen..Tochimoto has also had jumps like this, but in practice he has been very consistent. Watase of course has been so much more regular than both of them since the 4-hills...I would have chosen Watase and waited between Fumihisa and Shôhei, but of course Yumoto won in Pragelato and it is his big advantage..
Funaki1998
01.02.2009, 00:25
I don't understand why he changed his style. In Pragelato last year, he was 10th and 2nd best distance in the qualifications behind Schmitt with a good style ! Since, he changed his style twice (in Hakuba - Liberec his style was very agressive at the horizontal but he was too much close the snow and his current style is not very efficient as well...)...
I was surprised with Hiroki Yamada second jump today. This one was horrible. He seems to be afraid to topple over his skis ! Now, I am sorry but I can't trust in him anymore... he was a very promising jumper several years ago and now he is such a mess :(
Funaki1998
04.02.2009, 22:55
9 japanese will travail to Europe.
Nori - Daiki - Okabe - Yumoto - Tochimoto - Watase - Takeuchi - Osanai - Sakuyama
I know that 5 jumpers will go in Lillehammer with Ylianttila to prepare the World Championships (Nori - Daiki - Okabe - Yumoto and Watase / Tochimoto). So, I think 4 jumpers will jump in the flying hill in Oberstdorf because the better will be in Lillehammer right ? (Sakuyama - Osanai - Takeuchi - Tochimoto / Watase).
http://www.ski-japan.or.jp/official/saj/articles/camp_20090204_01.html
I don't understand but I think that we will have a team for the Heini Klopfer Schanze team competition ? It would be a very good opportunity for Sakuyama and Osanai !
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Our junior team is not very competitive in Strbske Pleso. According to the 4 training jumps, only Kento is able to be among the best 15. Maybe Kenshiro or Hiroaki could jump in the second round but a medal isn't possible this year with the others teams which have 4 very good jumpers, Austria, Germany, Slovenia, Poland, Finland...
Shoh, who was better than Faller, Mechler and the jumpers from Korea in China is disappointing...
Planica239
08.02.2009, 19:16
in sapporo it seemed that funaki could be the stronger than the young guys takeuichi, tochimoto a.s.o.
Does anyone know if Funaki will participate in events in Europe or does he jump only in japan at national competitions?
it was unbelievable watching him getting WC points last weekend ;)
Funaki is not among the jumpers who travelled to Europe (while Osanai is) so it is unlikely we will see him in World Cup until the end of the year.
I agree that his performance in Sapporo was encouraging and if he starts dominating like Okabe did in the japanese national competitions he should receive a chance, but as of right now I think he is still pretty far behind Okabe, Kasai, Ito etc...
Anyway, it is true that Funaki finished ahead of Tochimoto in Sapporo, but I think that Shohei is capable of better results - he is just very inconsistent, but usually jumps well in practice when there is more in-run speed compared to the competitions. He seems to struggle with low in-run speed and has not been able to show his potential for that reason. I would prefer to see the team which won Bronze in Sapporo two years ago (Tochimoto-Ito-Okabe-Kasai) in Liberec, because Shohei usually does well in team competitions and if he is our first group jumper (the group where most teams put their weakest jumper and therefore the start gate is usually not that low) he can do well in that position I think...He did pretty well in the team competition yesterday.
Planica239
11.02.2009, 19:20
i think so too, Dairyu.
Japan seems having a quite good team for the WCH in Liberec. It's a pitty that, like in sapporo, there will be only the team competition on the 120m hill. In Oberstdorf, we saw one of the moste exciting team competitions on the 90m hill. But that's another thing, which has to be decided by the FIS, if there are three or four jumping competitions.
Kasai and Okabe - the two oldies - are in great shape and i think that both will have a ticket for the team. Kasai jumped great in willingen and i think he is the last jumper of the team (in group 4).
Ito was Nr.4 in Willingen, but he normally starts at first. Okabe will get Bip 2 or 3, the final place will be shooted out between Watase, Shohei Tochimoto and Yuaso, i think.
If Kasai will be in perfect shape in Liberec, Okabe can make results between 10 and 20, and the younger guys, especially Daiki Ito will make technical fine jumps, Japan has the Chance to win a medal.
Austria will win gold, if there does not happen something totally strange, but Finland, Norway and Germany has not 4 good jumpers. Thats the difference to the last years.
So it will be very close between JPN, GER, FIN, NOR and perhaps Russia!
Funaki1998
11.02.2009, 20:04
Yes, but the japanese have to jump better than during the training today... And, we don't know who is the 4th as Shohhei, Fumi and Yuta aren't consistent. So, it will be difficult to have a medal.
As for Tochimoto, I think he should be the number 2 because, the teams often choose to put their best jumper or the second best jumper in the first group...
Maybe Watase can have a chance to be in the team, because one week-end he jumps bad, one week-end he jumps good...
yukijorou
12.02.2009, 01:09
The Japanese team is already on its way to Finland for training. They should arrive in Frankfurt in 1 hour...
Kasai wrote this in his blog tonight after the competition. He doesn't really want to go there though... I can imagine he'd prefer skiflying ;)
He also said his first jump today was a dissapointment after the good trainingsjump.
By the way, where is Watase? I didn't see him... Did they already send him back to Japan and take Tochimoto to Liberec...?
Funaki1998
12.02.2009, 02:02
I think Yuta will fly in Obersdorf with Kento, Yoshihiko and Taku if Tochimoto will go in Liberec, to have a team in the team competition even if Taku and Yuta's current technique is not good to fly...
Kento was in Zakopane in COC. He finished 10th the first competition, but it was a competition with strong wind, only one round. But he finished 66th the next day with a bad 102 meters jump...
He was as well bad in Strbske Pleso where he finished only 25th in the individual competition. Kenshiro was 20th and Watanabe/Narita jumped only once... We finished 6th in the team competition with Suzuki instead of Narita, I think it is not a bad result because our junior team is not very effective this year... Anyone knows why Kenshiro is still a junior ?
To finish with recent results, the nordic combined junior team was better in Strbske Pleso than the special jump's one.
First competition : Watabe : 6th, Shimizu : 7th, Kobayashi : 21st, Sasaki : 25th
Second competition (team) : 8th but we were 2nd after the jump
Third competition : Shimizu : 22nd, Sasaki : 32nd, Watabe : 33rd, Furui : 40th
This week, championships in Hakuba :)
yukijorou
12.02.2009, 13:52
I just read that Watase didn't jump because his right knee still hurts after he fell in Willingenl
Ito had a problem with his stomach tuesday evening and could barely move yesterday
Quelle (http://hochi.yomiuri.co.jp/sports/winter/news/20090212-OHT1T00076.htm)
Funaki1998
13.02.2009, 03:41
As for Daiki, it is not a problem I think, he will jump again well soon ! I hope Yuta will jump tomorrow !
Funaki1998
15.02.2009, 14:33
87th Japan Championships in Hakuba, K-120 (competition on the K-90 cancelled) :
1 - Higashi : 137 meters the second jump !
2 - Umezaki
3 - Hosoyama
4 - Takayanagi
5 - Funaki
6 - Watanabe
7 - Sakano
8 - K. Endo
9 - Y. Endo
10 - K. Sakurai
11 - Hirabayashi
12 - Tanaka
13 - Yamamoto
14 - Suzuki
15 - H. Yamada
16 - Yoshioka
17 - Kenshiro Ito
19 - Yuumu Harada
22 - Yoshito Watabe
30 - Junshiroh Kobayashi
Complete results : http://www.hakuba.gr.jp/jump/newsflash/wp-content/uploads/file/2009_All_Japan/AJ_SJ_K120_Result_ALL_M_15.pdf
HI,
ich würde gen mal wissen was mit Funaki Kazuyoshi ist. Er ist beim Weltcup in sapporo 19 geworden, beim coc 2 hinter Okabe aber sonst sieht man Ihn nicht mehr.
Ist er nun noch aktiv oder ist das Skispringen nur noch Hobby für Ihn????? :ueberleg: :ueberleg: :ueberleg:
Kichererbse
18.02.2009, 11:01
Zumindest in Japan springt er noch. http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/sp20090216w1.html
Benjamin
18.02.2009, 15:22
Er ist beim Weltcup-Springen vor ein paar Wochen in Sapporo angetreten und hat dort auch Punkte geholt.
ja das habe ich ja geschrieben 19 in sapporo aber es gibt noch andere Weltcups. warum ist er da nicht dabei???? :ueberleg:
Sprungbärchen
18.02.2009, 20:05
Weil er letztendlich auch schon am Ende seine Karriere angekommen ist. Über kurz oder lang werden auch Okabe und Kasai nicht mehr weiter springen.
hoffe Kasai und Okabe sind noch ne weile dabei ;)
Yumoto is zwar schon ganz ok aber er brauch noch ne weile :up:
Weil er letztendlich auch schon am Ende seine Karriere angekommen ist. Über kurz oder lang werden auch Okabe und Kasai nicht mehr weiter springen.
Unterschätze niemals die Japaner :D:
Funaki Kazuyoshi ist weder Hobbyspringer, noch hat er das Ende seiner Karriere erreicht, wenn man Karriere als berufliche Laufbahn versteht. Er ist ganz einfach Skispringer von Beruf und hat dafür vor einigen Jahren ein eigenes Team gegündet (F.I.T).
Derzeit ist er im C-Kader des japanischen Sprungteams. Da andere besser sind, startet er derzeit nicht im WC. Aber auch das muß ja nicht endgültig sein! :jap:
Sprungbärchen
18.02.2009, 22:32
Aha, und damit kann er Geld verdienen, als Teil des C-Kaders?
Sprungbärchen
19.02.2009, 01:53
Die in diesen Niederungen von irgendwem bemerkt werden, so dass es sich für sie lohnt?
Du musst wissen das es in Japan ein völlig anderes System gibt:Dort gibt es springen von Firmen Also quasi wie Firmen Mannschaften im fussball.Und diese Firmen springen sind in japan wichtiger als der wc.Es ist also so wenn sie für die firmen springen dann kriegen sie den gleichen lohn als wenn sie arbeiten,deswegen denkt da auch keiner ans aufhören;)
Wolfhard
19.02.2009, 15:46
Funaki ist erst 33 und seine Formkurve zeigt nach oben. Ich traue ihm zu, in den nächsten Jahren wieder dauerhaft in den Weltcup zurückkehren zu können. Okabe hat das 2004/2005 mit 34 geschafft nachdem er schon zwei Jahre lang komplett weg war.
@ Sprungbärchen
Warum mußt Du Dich so abfällig äußern?
Es sind keine "Niederungen", nur weil jemand nicht im WC mitspringt. Funakis Terminkalender für den Winter ist voll. Nahezu jedes Wochenende gibt es Wettkämpfe im nationalen Rahmen, an denen ein volles Starterfeld teilnimmt.
Hinzu kommen noch der eine oder andere PR-Termin oder Fernsehauftritt.
@ Kili
Du hast schon recht. Nur bei Funaki ist es etwas anders, weil er vor etlichen Jahren das Firmensystem verlassen und sein eigenes Team aufgebaut hat.
ah,ok aber er nimmt ja trotzdem noch an ettlichen cups teil;)
Hi,
stimmt es das Takanobu schon seit einer ganzen weile Rückenprobleme hat???
Dann ist er immernoch am springen????
Gibt es bei Ihm schon Gerüchte für ein Karriereende??? :D::D::D: (ERNST GEMEINTE GERÜCHTE)
oder vill. noch mit 45???? :D:
Irgendwelche Probleme werden sie wohl alle haben mehr oder weniger. Okabe soll ja gerade ein spezielles Programm durchgeführt haben, damit sein Körper noch ein Weilchen standhalten kann. Vancouver will er auf jeden Fall noch mitnehmen. Ans Aufhören denkt er sicher nicht, schon gar nicht, wenn es jetzt so gut läuft im Vergleich zu den jungen Japanern.
Und es mag ja auch was dran sein an Kasais Aussage, dass Springen nicht so sehr eine Sache des Alters als vieler anderer Dinge sei. Okabe und er sind das beste Beispiel dafür. Erfahrung, innere Einstellung und jede Menge Ehrgeiz steht bei ihnen ganz dick im Plus.
Okabe überlegt wohl momentan ob er auch bei den Olympischen Spielen 2022 startet :hihi: :hihi: :hihi:
Wenn er dann immer noch gute Leistungen bringt und besser als der Nachwuchs ist.... Vielleicht ist Funaki bis dahin auch wieder in Form und Higashi könnte seine Form ebenfalls so steigern, dass das neue A-Team dann aus Okabe, Higashi, Funaki und Kasai besteht.....:D:
auf Funaki warte ich schon seit sapporo aber leider sind noch 1-2 Leute zurzeit besser als er... :(
Gute Leistungen von unseren Springern gestern..Kasai sogar einmal der weiteste und 3 konstante Sprünge. Tochimoto auch konstant gut wie immer im Training. Mit verkürztem Anlauf bekommt er im Wettkampf meistens Probleme - vor allem bei Rückenwind.
Okabe war konstant, aber Yumoto hatte einen sehr guten und einen misratenen Sprung. Ito dürfte neben Kasai gesetzt sein.
Ich hoffe, dass Tochimoto und Okabe eingesetzt werden - sowohl im Einzel als auch im Teamspringen. Yumoto gelingen zwar hin und wieder gute Sprünge, aber gerade im Teamwettbewerb wäre er meiner Meinung nach eher ein Risiko, da sein hektischer Sprungstil oft zu ganz kürzen Sprüngen führt, wenn er seine Technik nicht umsetzen kann. Zwar hat Tochimoto wie erwähnt im Wettkampf meistens seine Trainingsleistungen nicht bestätigen können, aber bei Teamwettbewerben hat er immer überzeugen können und man könnte ihn in die Gruppe einsetzen in der die Teams ihre schwächsten Springer antreten lassen (wohl die zweite) und der Anlauf wäre vielleicht gerade lang genug, dass er ähnlich stark wir im Training springt.
Tochimoto-Okabe-Ito-Kasai ist unser Bronzeteam von Sapporo 2007----im Skispringen ist nichts unmöglich und mit diesen Springern können wir mithalten.
Funaki1998
26.02.2009, 23:17
Gold for the Nordic Combined team !! :D::D:
Funaki1998
28.02.2009, 03:45
Anyone may translate this article please ?
http://www.sponichi.co.jp/hokkaido/news/2009/02/21/04.html
AlleluiaGirl
28.02.2009, 19:08
ich gratuliere auch
Sugoi!! Tochimoto-Okabe-Ito-Kasai! Alles wie vor 2 Jahren!!
super gemacht.
Und den Japanern kann mans nur gönnen.
Herzlichen Glückwunsch!
Planica239
28.02.2009, 19:56
congratulation japan!
Yeah!
Great competition, i said it weeks ago, japan has a quite good chance for the bronze medal, and they made it! Great, i'm happy for Kasai and Okabe, they are fantastic!
After this crazy, unfair and stupid competition yesterday, it's fair for the japanese jumpers winning bronze today, because Kasai, Okabe and Shohei had the worst wind conditions yesterday. Kasai was so strong in the qualification and then did not qualifie for the second round, that was a bit of farce.
But the japanese teams are perfect, the combined team and the jumping team seems to have a fantastic team-spirit.
JAPAN!
OMEDETOO! Congratulations from me, too.
I knew they were strong enough to win an medal and they did. I am so happy that they were able to turn yesterday's frustration into a great jump show.
I think they are in even better shape now than they were two years ago. But they were betrayed in the individual competition yesterday.
Great team, splendid mixture of young and (a bit) older!
KLASSE!!!
Ich habs leider nicht gesehen aber trotzdem riesen GEIL... :up:
Also wie Okabe das gemacht hat is der HAMMER. Nach dem einzel???
Aber man sieht das Skispringen zu 80% im Kopf gesprungen wird, dass alter is wirklich nicht entscheident... :)
Funaki1998
28.02.2009, 22:24
:D::D: Yes !!!
A bronze medal with the same as two years ago.
It's fine for Shohei :
- World Championships : Bronze in Sapporo and Liberec
- World Junior Championships : Silver in 2007, team and individual competition, silver in 2008, individual competition.
- Competition in Hakuba, Summer Grand Prix 2007 winner
For a 19-year-old young, it is a good prize list :D:
Shohhei is a very important part of the japanese team at a very young age. He has a lot of potential and has shown to be mentally very strong in important situations. You rarely see him reacting the way he did after his 2nd jump today. Clearly there was a lot of pressure. Shohhei was mentally up for the challenge and delivered a very good performance.
When it most mattered Shohhei was there and did very well. :up:
Funaki1998
01.03.2009, 03:56
I think it is possible for him to participate to the last competition in Planica, but he has to win many points. I hope he will jump like in Willingen (friday) and like today during the Nordic tournament !
I hope so, too! It would be nice if both Okabe and Tochimoto made it to the Top 30 before the last competition. Okabe's shape is great so things are looking very good for him...Shohhei has always been strong in practice this year (Vancouver and Sapporo too), but in the competition he struggled with lower in-run speed and (often) bad wind conditions. Now he might be full of confidence.
If they make it I think Okabe and Tochimoto have a better chance of achieving good results on the last day in Planica rather than Watase and Yumoto.
Funaki1998
01.03.2009, 17:17
I agree with you. Watase is not a great flyer because of his style which is efficient on normal hills. But I think Yumoto is able to achieve good results in ski flying because he is fast in flight.
I am disappointed that Daiki jumps not good all the winter, because he would be among the best flyers with his last summer technique and could beat the japanese record...
Anyone can translate this article please ?
http://www.sponichi.co.jp/hokkaido/n.../02/21/04.html (http://www.sponichi.co.jp/hokkaido/news/2009/02/21/04.html)
I suppose you are interested in the part about Funaki (last paragraph). This ist what it says:
"Jump Seniors B: Funaki with bitter smile at 4th place" Funaki Kazuyoshi (F.I.T) who took part in the National Sports Meeting for the second year in a row finished with 73 meters at 4th place. Being faced with bad weather conditions he said: "Whatever competition it is, I have got to produce a (good) result. If I say too much it will sound like an apology. I lost" with a bitter smile.
The former Japanese ace who is feeling the tendency to come in better shape has the Vancouver Olympics in sight: "I will not enlist for next year's National Sports Meeting. It would be not proper because it is at the same time." He praised Yoshioka's victory who has been in bad shape over this season and has now the Miyasama Competition next month in sight.
Funaki1998
02.03.2009, 22:58
I suppose you are interested in the part about Funaki (last paragraph).
To be honnest, I searched informations about Yuuya Yamada on Google because I am interested by all the juniors and this is the only article I found about him... I often search informations (articles, pictures, I can't hope videos....) about the juniors. So, the part of this article I was interested was about Yuuya Yamada but it's always fine to have informations about Funaki and Yoshioka because they are jumpers I like very much...
There are sometimes articles about the young on this website, but it is incomprehensible with a translator...
Planica239
03.03.2009, 00:06
it would be great when funaki could participate in whistler next year. That would be crazy, but great ;).
But you will never know what the japanese guys are planing ;) .
Had Okabe and Kasai ever thought about retirement? I can't imaging watching ski jumping without kasai ;). But how long can he and takanobu manage this hard sport ? The only problem is the age, becauso they are in perfect shape and have fun and great success!
@ Funaki 1998
Here you are: Part I about Yamada Yûya:
On the 20th, the last day of the Winter National Sports Meeting, (Kokutai) the jumping competitions were held at the Ishiuchimaruyama Schanze in the city of Uonuma and other places. ... Due to bad weather conditions there was only one round in the special jump. The juniors’ competition was won by Yamada Yûya (Hokushô High School) with 80 meters and 111.0 points. It was his first victory. In the seniors’ competition B Yoshioka Kazuya (Tsuchiya Home) won with 78 meters and 107.5 points. ...
The leading jumper in the juniors’ competition after the first round, Yamada Yûya celebrated his first victory. It was the first time he won in a nation-wide scale. The bad weather prevented a second round, but he said with a relaxed-looking face not minding the steady downpour of the rain: “I had the self-confidence for a second jump as well.”
Due to string wind the competition had been delayed for two hours but the rain would not stop. “Under bad conditions I always come in at high ranks” says the 18-year-old with a pleased smile. It turned out as I expected it. Including the seniors I was the only one to reach the K-point. Because of the rough weather the inrun speed was low but I managed a good jump-off.
He is a member of the Japanese National Junior Team, but in the Intercup in the middle of this month he finished with a disappointing 6 place. He told us that before the actual competition someone played a joke on his skis. “This was a shock and influenced me mentally” he says with regrets. From this spring on I do not go to school anymore. To win the last Kaokutai within his school career added to the joy.
Due to the present crisis he has not been able to find a workplace that has a ski club, so he will - while working - enter the Otaru Jump Club and polish his technique there. Yamada gives wide space to his dreams: “I want to start in the World Cup. For this I have to get more and more good results.”
@ Planica239:
Don’t worry. As long as they dont get injured (keep my fingers crossed!) they will go on jumping!
Funaki1998
06.03.2009, 00:44
Thank You for the translation. I hope he will be capable of improving in the Otaru Ski Club. Shota Tanaka has difficulties to improve in this club.
Anyone already seen Yuuya Yamada ?
I continue to search informations about the young and I found this article about Yuumu Harada about the first competition in Sapporo in 2009.
With a translator, I think I understood that he was seriously injured with his knees ? Can you sum up this article as well please ?
http://www.nikkansports.com/sports/news/p-sp-tp0-20090204-457126.html
I think he was a promising jumper. He was already very good when he was 13 years old. For example, I found these results when he was 2nd behind Kenshiro... :
http://www.age.ne.jp/x/sas/sas2005/2004_Ruslts/Jump2004/45Snow/45thYukiJr2.pdf
There were Fis competitions in Zao this week.
Hiroaki Watanabe won the first competition and Shusaku Hosoyama won the second competition. I think it is promising for Hiroaki, he is only 17.
Watase won a fis competition last year in Sapporo in march. I hope Hiroaki will improve like him next year :D:
Izumi Yamada retires this winter :(
Watanabe was consistent in these competitions with a decent 5th place the next day!
Funaki and Higashi a bit too far behind, don't you think?
Though there was not a lot of difference between Watanabe who finished 5th and Funaki who ended up 11th in the second competition....
Funaki has had a better season than in 2007/08, but as of right now he is not able to consistently end up ahead of other japanese who do not belong to the A-Team..
As far as the youngsters are concerned would you rank Watanabe as our No.2 most promising jumper behind Sakuyama right now?
It would be great if he improved like Watase, but he has got time on his side.
I am curious about Yumoto's performance in Lahti this weekend!
Last year Yumoto returned to the A-Team in Lahti (he had been replaced by Watase after Sapporo) and jumped consistently well in practice. Unfortunately the competition was cancelled due to the weather..Yumoto couldn't keep it up for the rest of the Nordic Tournament and never came close to making the 2nd round.
I wonder if it is a good hill for Fumihisa.
Then again, he doesn't jump like he did last year now as his style has changed quite a bit....I hope he will be consistent for the rest of the season!
Funaki1998
06.03.2009, 13:05
I don't know if Sakuyama is our best junior this winter, because two weeks ago, Yuuya Yamada won a competition 2 weeks ago in Shiozawa. Sakuyama finished 4th behind Yuuya, Junshiroh and Hiroaki Watanabe...
In January, when the young jumped in the same competition as the others, Yuumu Harada, Hiroaki Watanabe and Suzuki were as good as Kento, close to the TOP-10. Then, Hiroaki Watanabe finished 6th at the Japan Championships in Hakuba last month with two good jumps. Yuuya Yamada, Sakuyama, Suzuki and Watanabe are good but it is difficult to know who is the best. As for sure, our junior team this year is not the best among all the junior teams. We were lucky to jump in the second round in the Junior Championships in the team competition. We were in the second round because Niemi fell...
Did you see the results of the competition in January 2004. Kenshiro Ito, Wada, Yuumu Harada were very good , close to the K-point with slow speeds... It is interesting to see that Tochimoto wasn't among the best and wasn't already consistent. I think Tochimoto is better than Kenshiro since they are 16. It's strange to see Kenshiro better when he was 13-14 years old than today...
Ishizawa retires as well this year.
Another step by Okabe to take part in the Top 30 competition in Planica this year. First Top 10 result of the year!
As for the others....there is not much positve to say today...Nori is always capable of strong results, but besides the fact that he has not been the luckiest with the wind conditions, Okabe seems to be by far our most consistent jumper right now. Whether it is a small hill or a big hill.....and for sure Takanobu can do well in ski flying too, because he's proven to be very good at it.
Planica239
08.03.2009, 22:16
he'll be in the top 30 on Sunday in Planica, i'm sure.
Tochimoto has still word to do, but Okabe's shape ist good enough to get top-15 results in the nordic tournament. And Vikersund is also great for him. And if his shape is better than Watase's for skiflying, the can probably nominate okabe than watase, if okabe is 31st in standings.
I hope Okabe keeps on jumping some years. At the moment, he's my favorite jumper!
Funaki1998
08.03.2009, 23:25
As for me, we'll have 4 jumpers in Planica : Nori, Fumi, Daiki and Takanobu. Watase can't be in the TOP-30 with only 142 points. I think Kranjec and Romoeren will overtake him because there will have 2 flying competitions. Hocke and Kornilov have as well many chances to overtake him. So, he has to win points. It would be disappointing for him if he misses the World Championships and the finale in Planica...
Yamada won a competition today with a very good speed, I wonder if Ylianttila would like to work with him next spring in Europe like last year when he was in Europe with the best jumpers who are not from Snow Brand or Team Tsuchiya (Yumoto, Osanai, Takeuchi, Sakuyama and 4 others jumpers...).
This nordic tournament will be the first time Fumihisa takes part in a ski flying! Last year he didn't participate in Planica (in the first competition he could have competed in qualifying) probably because it was decided that it would have been difficult for him after scoring no points in the Nordic Tournament.
I know that Funaki 1998 has already said he thinks Yumoto can do well on a ski flying hill and I agree! I hope that in Planica Yumoto surpasses the 200 metres as did Takeuchi and Tochimoto on their first visit there last year.
And following Yamada's win Keita Umezaki has taken a victory as well! It would be nice if Keita could find some shape and become the jumper he was in 2007...
Funaki1998
09.03.2009, 14:00
Yumoto must correct his important problem to fly good. His problem is that the impulse comes from his shoulders. So, he can't speed up during the flight. As for sure, his technique is better than the Shohhei's one to fly if he jumps without big faults at the take-off.
Shohhei can't fly very good (even if he is good flyer...) because he moves away his skis too fast, so he has a lack of speed at the end of his jumps. Then, he sometimes jumps behind his skis and he must jump over his skis. His technique is not very good to fly. It's a shame because he's fluid and light and he could be a very good flyer with another technique.
Our best flyer is Takanobu. I think he can jump after the HS with good wind.
As for Yamada and Umezaki, I was very disappointed with their technique in Sapporo. Yamada's second jump was horrible ! Yamada didn't manage to jump over his skis and Umezaki jumped not good at all because with his technique, he is not fast and close the snow.
Planica239
09.03.2009, 21:37
watase jump today was not good. Difficult for him gaining points tomorrow.
Kranjec participate in planica on sunday anyway, because slovenia is allowed to nominate 4 jumpers. Also if they are not in den Top-30. Perhaps the competition starts with 33 or 34 starters.
I think Okabe and Ito can attack the japanese record in vikersund and planica (vikersund tells about 235m possible....*wonder*) of 222,5m.
:( Ich weiß nicht ob es nur mir so geht, aber ich hab den Eindruck Kasai ist ein wenig von der Spur nach dem ganzen Pech mit dem Wind was er in den letzten Springen hatte. Er gewinnt Qualifikationen, ist im Training super und dann im Wettbewerb kann man einen Hunderter verwetten, dass er die schlechtesten Bedingungen und 100 % Rückenwind hat.
Man sagt ja immer, das würde sich in der Saison ausgleichen, aber ich kenn echt keinen Springer, dem das Pech so an den Hacken klebt wie Kasai. Mich würde das echt mürbe machen und so wirkte auch er heute....
Planica239
09.03.2009, 21:55
:( Ich weiß nicht ob es nur mir so geht, aber ich hab den Eindruck Kasai ist ein wenig von der Spur nach dem ganzen Pech mit dem Wind was er in den letzten Springen hatte. Er gewinnt Qualifikationen, ist im Training super und dann im Wettbewerb kann man einen Hunderter verwetten, dass er die schlechtesten Bedingungen und 100 % Rückenwind hat.
Man sagt ja immer, das würde sich in der Saison ausgleichen, aber ich kenn echt keinen Springer, dem das Pech so an den Hacken klebt wie Kasai. Mich würde das echt mürbe machen und so wirkte auch er heute....
that's ski jumping.
Stimmt Sano. Geht mir wie Dir.
Nicht zu vergessen sein Pech vor WM's oder Olympiaden. Oder zuletzt als er ausgerechnet Zuhause mal wieder einen Virus aufgeschnappt hat und nicht springen durfte. Der Typ hat schon Pech. :jap:
Ach, das gleicht sich in den nächsten Jahren wieder aus ! :D:
@ Sano
Ja, so ist es wohl. Wahrscheinlich ist die Luft bei ihm raus. Sein großes Saisonziel war ganz sicher die WM. Und da war er ja auch in guter Form. Wäre er auf der K 120 unter den letzten 10-12 drangewesen, wer weiß, ob das Ergebnis nicht anders ausgesehen hätte. Er selbst hatte sich bestimmt ein gutes Ergebnis ausgerechnet. Aber mit der Startnummer hatte er keine Chance. Da muß er ganz einfach enttäuscht sein.
Es ist ja auch nicht nur in den letzten Springen mit dem Wind so, er hat ja in seiner Laufbahn schon so ungeheuer viele Tiefschläge einstecken müssen, ganz sicher mehr als jeder andere, der jetzt im WC mitspringt. Wenn man sich das mal vor Augen führt, dann kann man ihn nur bewundern, daß er sich immer wieder aufgerappelt hat und auch immer eine Stütze des Teams war. Aber irgendwie hat er schon was von einer tragischen Gestalt.
AlleluiaGirl
10.03.2009, 19:53
hammer
and Kasai 5th, Yumoto 7th! I still can't believe :)
mariposa
10.03.2009, 20:08
Amazing results for the Japanese team today!!! :party:
O K A B E ! *wohoooooooo*
Planica239
10.03.2009, 20:40
yeah he did it! sensational! :up::up::up:
It's just phenomenal; when i became fan of ski jumping in 1997, 1998, Okabe was yet one of the "older" jumpers. Today he is still participating and in the shape of his life. He jumps like a 21 year old guy!
He really deserves the victory. Congratulations Takanobu!
@funaki: The 30st WC position is no problem any more ;), although he joined the wc first in vancouver.
Almost unbelievable results today! And so well deserved!
And how happy they were!
The whole team did a great job. And finally, for Kasai the spell seems to have broken.
Today's results should inspire them for the competitions to come.
If Okabe jumps on like this he will win the Nordic Tournament!
yukijorou
10.03.2009, 22:32
http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/makihyppy/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/makihyppy/2009/03/834196 does anybody speak Finish?
or Norwegian: http://www.vg.no/sport/ski/hopp/artikkel.php?artid=557419
Polish: http://www.skijumping.pl/wiadomosci/10367/PS-w-Kuopio-Takanobu-Okabe-wygrywa-Adam-Malysz-trzeci/
??? :)
I can tell you the content of the Norwegian article, but for a good translation I have not enough time at the moment. So here is a rather free one:
"Okabe won at a dark norwegian skijumping evening.
The japanese Takanobu Okabe won while the norwegian jumpers had a dark evening in the Kuopio, Finnland, on tuesday. Only Anders Bardal hindert the total humiliation.
Geir Ole Berdahl, the norwegian assistent trainier said, that the jumping was not good for some of the jumpers and that the jumping hill in Kuopio punishs the jumpers hard for that. He promises better jumps in Lillehammer because the jumpers know that hill very well. But it is a pity for the organisers in Lillehammer and Vikersund that the PR for the norwegian skijumping is not better.
He thinks that Okabe deserves the victory, because he had many good single jumps throughout the season. As he will become 39 soon, he is the oldest winner of a Worldcup in skijumping. His last victory had he 11 years ago.
Bardal and Aarass were the only two Norwegians who reached the final round. Bardal jumped 116 m in the first and 118,5 m in the final round. He jumped from the 20th on the 11th place and hindert that Mika Kojonkoski had his worst result as norwegian national coach.
In the first round the conditions were changing. This affected the competion. After the first round Harri Olli was the leader with 130,5 m and second was Kalle Keituri, who had 128,1 points and jumped 127 m. In the final round Okabe was the best because the two fins fall behind. Okabe finished with 123 m and was in front of the Swiss Simon Ammand and the polish Adam Malysz, who becomes third.
Jon Aarass jumped just 95 m in the final round and finished on the 29th place. Anders Jacobsen finished as 34th. The other norwegian jumpers were 40th, 41st and 43rd.
Simon Amman is leader in the nordic tournament before Okabe now. Anders Bardal is the only norwegian with a placement under the top."
Free translation of this (http://www.vg.no/sport/ski/hopp/artikkel.php?artid=557419) article.
yukijorou
11.03.2009, 00:18
danke! :)
I just found an interview with Okabe in sanspo.com:
- With your WC victory after 11 years you broke the record of being the oldest jumper to do so.
“I never expected that I could win. I am happy. Because I was in good shape I thought I’d reach a single number rank.”
- How did you feel being at 4th place before the second round?
“Strangely I was calm. I had a good jump in the trial round. I thought I just had to produce my own jump. Because I was concentrated I didn’t bother about good or bad wind.”
- Compared to your last victory 11 seasons ago your skis are shorter now and the rules for the jump suits have changed, too.
“My technique has improved pretty much since then. I am short, so are my skis, and therefore my inrun speed is low. If I make a mistake - compared to a taller jumper - this will have a much greater effect. I take care not to let big failures happen.”
- Since when do you feel being in such a good shape?
“When the World Championships started I was confused. But during the team event I found a good gliding. Now my inrun gliding position is suitably compact.”
- This will be a stimulus for next year’s Vancouver Olympics.
“I don’t quite think about that. I just hold on to give my best in the competition that lies ahead.”
I like his attitude towards single competitions very much.
yukijorou
11.03.2009, 22:47
There is an article (also at sanspo) with some comments from Funaki, Hiroya Saito and another Saito from the SAJ (and more).
Funaki
That's great. He proofed that skijumping has nothing to do with age. I still can go on for a while. I can't keep on loosing. To keep on fighting such a long time is also important for the young jumpers.
Hiroya Saito
Just before the competition I got a call that [his] jump came close to how it looked like in his imagination. He's 38 years old but didn't loose his power yet. If he can keep his good form he might be even able to catch a medal next year in Vancouver.
Saito (SAJ)
A victory with 38 is great! [...] He is the main power of the Japanese team. I want him to keep his good form. Next time I want him to get a good result in a competition when the wind is constant.
:hmpf: Die Aussage von Saito (SAJ) erscheint mir aber mehr als überzogen, denn in all den Jahren die Okabe und Kasai gesprungen sind, hat es nur eine einzige Saison gegeben, in der Okabe vor Kasai im Weltcup lag. Das war 1997.
Ansonsten war Kasai wesentlich erfolgreicher. Okabe ist einige Jahre gar nicht im Weltcup platziert gewesen, während Kasai von Anfang an jedes Jahr seine Platzierungen gebracht hat mit Ausnahme von 1995 als er sich zweimal das Schlüsselbein gebrochen hat.
"The main power of the Japanese Team" mag in den letzten Springen Okabe gewesen sein, aber in den letzten 20 Jahren war es Kasai. Und dass er es in den letzten Springen nicht war, lag nicht an ihm sondern an den schlechten Windverhältnissen wie selbst die Kommentatoren inzwischen immer erwähnen...
Ich bin froh dass Team Japan beide Oldies hat und freue mich extrem auch für Okabe, aber Saito's Bemerkung finde ich traurig....
Wolfhard
12.03.2009, 15:10
:hmpf: Die Aussage von Saito (SAJ) erscheint mir aber mehr als überzogen, denn in all den Jahren die Okabe und Kasai gesprungen sind, hat es nur eine einzige Saison gegeben, in der Okabe vor Kasai im Weltcup lag. Das war 1997. Korrigiere: In der Saison 2005/2006 lag Okabe als 12. ebenfalls vor Kasai als 21. Und in der Saison 1994/1995 wurde Okabe 5., während Kasai sich nicht im Gesamtweltcup platzieren konnte.
Alles in allem muss man aber sagen, dass Kasai erfolgreicher und konstanter war. Daher denke ich, dass Saito das nur auf die letzen Springen bezogen hat.
:up: Sano - Wo du recht hast....
Hab mir die Ergebnislisten auch mal angeschaut und bin erstaunt. Eigentlich war Okabe während seiner langen Karriere nie ein wirklicher Topspringer was Konstanz angeht. Nur bei Einzel-Ereignissen. Beide sind seit Ende 1989 im Weltcup und betrachtet man die Daten, sieht man schon wer "mehr" für Team Japan getan hat in den letzten 20 Jahren.
Okabe:
Olympische Teilnahmen: 5
Weltcup Starts: 192
Weltcup Podium Plätze: 23
Weltcup Siege: 5
Olympia: 1 Silber, 1 Gold (Team)
Weltmeisterschaft: 1 Gold (Einzel), 1, Silber (Team), 3 Bronze (Team)
Kasai:
Olympische Teilnahmen: 9
Weltcup Starts: 355
Weltcup Podium Plätze: 43
Weltcup Siege: 15
Olympia: 1 Silber (Team)
Weltmeisterschaft: 2 Bronze (Team), 2 Bronze (Einzel), 2 Silber (Team)
Skiflugmeister: Erster Platz - 1992
Okabe hatte halt das Glück Gold bei Olympia zu bekommen und deshalb wird Kasai immer in seinem Schatten stehen obwohl letztendlich viel erfolgreicher.
Korrigiere: In der Saison 2005/2006 lag Okabe als 12. ebenfalls vor Kasai als 21. Und in der Saison 1994/1995 wurde Okabe 5., während Kasai sich nicht im Gesamtweltcup platzieren konnte.
Alles in allem muss man aber sagen, dass Kasai erfolgreicher und konstanter war. Daher denke ich, dass Saito das nur auf die letzen Springen bezogen hat.
Sorry, mit 2005/2006 hast du recht. :)
Aber 1994/95 konnte Kasai sich nicht platzieren, weil er in der Saison gar nicht gesprungen ist. Er hat sich das Schlüsselbein gebrochen und nachdem es verheilt war und er wieder springen wollte ist er wieder gestürzt und hat es sich nochmals gebrochen. :(
Die Saison hat er komplett nicht gesprungen.
Okabe hatte halt das Glück Gold bei Olympia zu bekommen und deshalb wird Kasai immer in seinem Schatten stehen obwohl letztendlich viel erfolgreicher.
Das sehe ich genauso. In Japan gelten Olympische Spiele als das wichtigste internationale Sportereignis und sie bekommen immer sehr viel Raum in den Medien. Daher werden auch Olympiasiege als sehr bedeutend erachtet. Japaner, die bei OS gewinnen, ernten lange andauernden/ewigen Ruhm. Funaki z. B. wird in der Regel nur als Olympiasieger gekannt, daß er auch Skiflug-WM- und 4ST-Sieger ist, weiß kaum noch einer.
Und Kasai kann leider mit keinem Olympiasieg aufwarten...
Der gewinnt in Vancouver :D:
Wenn er denn mal keinen Rückenwind hat...
In seinem Block schrieb er ja gerade, dass heute wohl wieder ein extremer Wind von 5 herrscht und wie ich sehe, wurde das Training ja schon nach hinten geschoben.
Planica239
14.03.2009, 22:04
was war mit okabe heute?
where has okabe been today? what happened?
Okabe ist nach Japan geflogen und nimmt dort nur noch an Nationalen Springen teil.
Benjamin
14.03.2009, 23:20
Dabei war das bei Okabe 1998 ja "nur" ein Teamwettkampf.
Ich erinnere mich, dass Kasai vor langer Zeit irgendwann mal meinte, dass er so lange springt, bis er Olympiasieger ist. Nach es 2002 nicht geklappt hatte, dachte ich, dass das wohl trotzdem seine letzte Teilnahme war. Nun ja... :schaem:
Nun Haben wir bald 2010 und er ist immer noch dabei :D:
Und wenn ich mir seine Sprünge ansehe wie heute den über 207 Meter dann seh ich auch keinen Grund, warum er aufhören sollte, solange es ihm Spaß macht. :)
Planica239
15.03.2009, 00:26
@ mario.
1. Woher hast du die Info?
2. Wieso nimmt Okabe die letzten WC-events nicht mit? Gibt es in Japan mehr Kohle zu verdienen?
3. Wie meinst du das mit "nur noch an nationalen Springen". Soll das heißen dass er nächstes Jahr nicht mehr im WC auftritt?
Schade, am Dienstag hat er noch gewonnen, jetzt fehlte er heute für mich unerwartet, obwohl er für Vikersund gemeldet war.
@ mario.
1. Woher hast du die Info?
2. Wieso nimmt Okabe die letzten WC-events nicht mit? Gibt es in Japan mehr Kohle zu verdienen?
3. Wie meinst du das mit "nur noch an nationalen Springen". Soll das heißen dass er nächstes Jahr nicht mehr im WC auftritt?
Schade, am Dienstag hat er noch gewonnen, jetzt fehlte er heute für mich unerwartet, obwohl er für Vikersund gemeldet war.
1. Von einer Japanischen Seite und von Tom Bartels
2. Weil er mehr Kohle verdienen kann würd ich mal sagen ;)#
3. Um gottes willen nein. Ich mein mit nur noch, diese Saison. Nächste Saison springt er sicher wieder im WC
Guten Morgen, allerseits!
@ Planica 239 und Mario
zu 1. Es stand in mehreren japanischen Zeitungen. Er ist im übrigen bereits wieder in Japan.
2. Um die "Kohle" geht es nicht. Er ist bei der Firma Snow Brand angestellt und bekommt dort sein Gehalt, ob er gewinnt oder nicht.
Ich denke, die Rückkehr hat zwei Gründe: 1. Die körperliche Belastung beim Skifliegen - am Ende der Saison und bei seinem angeschlagenen Rücken - wäre nicht gut. 2. Seine Firma ist sicher daran interessiert, daß er bei den verbleibenden Springen in Japan noch einmal gute Ergebnisse einfährt. Mit seinem WC-Sieg und seiner Trophäe, die er in Kuopio bekommen hat, ist er ein Aushängeschild seines Teams.
3. Er wird alles dransetzen, im nächsten Jahr wieder mitzuspringen. Er freut sich auf Vancouver.
Er sagte: (der letzte Sieg vor 11 Jahren) "Das liegt schon in weiter Vergangenheit. Ich habe bereits vergessen, wie das damals war, zu siegen. Jetzt ist es wie der erste Sieg. Ich freue mich."
und weiter:
"Unsere jungen Springer sind vielversprechend. Wenn wir gemeinsam hart arbeiten, wird etwas Gutes dabei herauskommen."
http://www.hokkaido-np.co.jp/news/sports/152985.html?_nva=229
... Die körperliche Belastung beim Skifliegen - am Ende der Saison und bei seinem angeschlagenen Rücken - wäre nicht gut.
Ich mein auch eher, daß da die Bandscheiben ein gewaltiges Wort mitzureden haben. Ich finde gut, wenn ers nicht übertreibt, ich will auch einmal einen Sieger sehen, der jenseits der 40 ist! (Der macht das!)
Okabe sagte in einem Interview, das er in seinem Leben nie wieder Skifliegen will.
Okabe sagte in einem Interview, das er in seinem Leben nie wieder Skifliegen will.
schade! :(
Okabe sagte in einem Interview, das er in seinem Leben nie wieder Skifliegen will.
Kannst Du dafür mal bitte die Quelle angeben?
Kannst Du dafür mal bitte die Quelle angeben?
Quelle : Tom Bartels ;)
Ich bin im Zweifel, ob ich Herrn Bartels als eine seriöse Quelle anerkennen soll... :ueberleg:
Andererseits könnte ich Okabe gut verstehen, weil er ja auch zumindest an Planica nicht die besten Erinnerungen haben dürfte.
yukijorou
15.03.2009, 20:29
I just found a funny commercial from Mizuno (released in March 2009) and its making of with Funaki :D:
you tube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrThGbri0xg)
wo war denn eigentlich Fumihisa Yumoto???? Er hat die Quali ja auch ausgelassen.
Hatte das immernoch mit seinen "fast Sturz" im training zutun oder ist er auch nach Japan gereist??? :idee:
Weiß da jemand drüber bescheid???
Wolfhard
19.03.2009, 10:13
Okabe sagte in einem Interview, das er in seinem Leben nie wieder Skifliegen will.
Seit seiner Rückkehr in den Weltcup 2005 ist mir aufgefallen, dass Okabe kaum bei einem Skifliegen war. 2006 ist er aber doch einmal in Planica geflogen unter anderem auf 217,5 m (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ov5FBJKnI8) übrigens.
Es würde mich daher wundern, wenn er Skifliegen für sich kategorisch ausschließt, auf der anderen Seite, wenn er nicht in seiner jetzigen Form zum Skifliegen fährt, wann dann?
yukijorou
19.03.2009, 19:23
guck mal hier (http://www.skispringen.com/aktuell/show_news.php?id=810), da sagt sogar Kari, dass er nicht mehr möchte... von daher glaube ich das auch mal :(
Sunnygate
19.03.2009, 19:25
er ist doch vor ein paar Jahren in Planica schwer gestürzt, war sogar kurz im Krankenhaus
muss so Anfang der 2000-er Jahre gewesen sein
er ist doch vor ein paar Jahren in Planica schwer gestürzt, war sogar kurz im Krankenhaus
muss so Anfang der 2000-er Jahre gewesen sein
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j8CUkpT78c
Das war 1999. Ok doch 2000
Planica239
20.03.2009, 00:35
ne mario, der sturz war 2000. war damal live an der schanze. ein tag mit gemischten gefühlen, einerseits der beste flug aller zeiten goldbergers auf 225m - geilste stimmung in planica ever - dann der sturz okabes und die absage bzw. das beschlossene nicht antreten einiger springer aufgrund des windes.
Das heutige vorletzte Springen in Japan (Sapporo K 90) hat Takahashi Daito vor Sakano Yukio gewonnen. Es gab aufgrund schlechter Bedingungen nur einen DG.
Okabe ist nicht an den Start gegangen.
Bei den Damen hat Yamada Izumi gewonnen, die nach der Saison aufhören wird.
Funaki1998
20.03.2009, 21:22
The results are not available yet :(
I hope there are juniors (or young jumpers like Funato) into the TOP-10.
I found websites about japanese jumpers :
http://www.itodaiki.com/
http://www.itokenshiro.com/
http://itoyuki.com/
These sites are often updated. :zunge2:
Hab Ihr vill. eine Ergebnisliste von denn Springen in Japan???
das letzte von der K90??? ;)
yukijorou
21.03.2009, 22:52
Okabe hat gewonnen :)
:party: :party: :party: :party: :party:
Okabe hat gewonnen :)
welches Springen??? :ueberleg:
yukijorou
22.03.2009, 14:12
welches Springen??? :ueberleg:
das gestrige
Das heutige vorletzte Springen in Japan (Sapporo K 90) hat Takahashi Daito vor Sakano Yukio gewonnen. Es gab aufgrund schlechter Bedingungen nur einen DG.
Okabe ist nicht an den Start gegangen.
Bei den Damen hat Yamada Izumi gewonnen, die nach der Saison aufhören wird.
Wieso Okabe??? Ich dachte Takahashi??? :irre:
Gibs ne Ergebnisliste... welchen Platz hatte Funaki??? :ueberleg:
Takahashi hat das vorletzte Springen gewonnen (20. 3., K 90), Okabe das letzte (21. 3., K 120) vor Yumoto.
Ergebnislisten konnte ich noch nicht finden.
war Funaki auch dabei???
wo bekommt Ihr die Infos her???
yukijorou
22.03.2009, 18:51
war Funaki auch dabei???
wo bekommt Ihr die Infos her???
Funaki - kann ich noch nicht sagen.
Infos - aus dem japanischsprachigen Internet ;)
Okabe hat übrigens mit 26 Punkten Vorsprung auf Yumoto gewonnen und sagt, dass er mit so einem guten Ergebnis nicht gerechnet hatte und dass es eine super Saison war. Im 1. Dg. hatte er bei Windstille 9,5m Vorsprung auf Yumoto (den Zweiten).
Den Saisonstart hatte er bei nationalen Springen. "Wenn ich Ergebnisse bringen würde, dann würden sie mich akzeptieren", sagt er und fuhr einen Sieg nach dem anderen ein. So erkämpfte er sich selbst seinen Weg zurück in die Nationalmannschaft. Bei der WM gewann Japan die Bronzemedaille und Okabe war dafür der Hauptverantwortliche. Und zu Olympia 2010 sagt er voller Eifer: "Wenn alles gut läuft, würde ich da auch gerne eine Einzelmedaille erspringen."
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20090321-00000077-mai-spo
Den Saisonstart hatte er bei nationalen Springen. "Wenn ich Ergebnisse bringen würde, dann würden sie mich akzeptieren", sagt er und fuhr einen Sieg nach dem anderen ein. So erkämpfte er sich selbst seinen Weg zurück in die Nationalmannschaft. Bei der WM gewann Japan die Bronzemedaille und Okabe war dafür der Hauptverantwortliche. Und zu Olympia 2010 sagt er voller Eifer: "Wenn alles gut läuft, würde ich da auch gerne eine Einzelmedaille erspringen."
ich würde es Okabe schon wünschen aber 1ner müsste die Nationalmannschaft verlassen, damit Funaki zurück könnte. Ich persönlich habe da auch schon einen, wo ich es nicht verstehe, dass er im A Team springt... :irre:
Denn Sprung zurück in die Nationalmannschaft müsste Okabe durch den Sieg im COC gemacht haben oder???
yukijorou
22.03.2009, 20:51
Okabe hat ab Mitte Dezember bis zum 17.1. alle Springen in Japan gewonnen, an denen er teilgenommen hat. Der COC war dann aber das erste Mal, dass die internationalen Skisprungfans etwas von seiner guten Form mitbekommen haben. Nur im 1. COC und bei einem Springen am 20.1. hat er nicht gewonnen (wurde bei letzterem aber 2. hinter Kasai).
Da er jetzt wieder gewonnen hat und zwar noch überzeugender als vor seinem "Ausflug in die große weite Welt", zeigt ja, dass er wirklich super drauf ist. Ich hoffe, er kann diese Form in den Sommer und in die nächste Wintersaison retten!
ich zweifel ja nicht an Okabe... ;) er ist schon nen klassespringer :cool:
Was machen eigentlich die anderen Hoffnungsträger wie Takeuchi oder der zweite Ito? Watase war ja nun nicht wirklich sonderlich erfolgreich, während Tochimoto zumindest im Team eigentlich immer seinen Teil geleistet hat....
Gibt es sonst noch junge Springer, die international auf sich aufmerksam machen können?
Funaki1998
22.03.2009, 23:27
Why the results are not available on the SAS site and even on the takyan85's blog ? I don't know if we can find the results on another site...
6 japanese jumpers retire this year : Izumi Yamada, Nishimori, Yusuke Endo, Takanori Sato, Yasunori Suzuki and Ishizawa.
We don't have informations for the moment about the young from 1990 who have to find a team next year....
yukijorou
23.03.2009, 20:50
Ergebnisse vom Samstagsspringen in Sapporo:
1. Takanobu Okabe (129.0m + 129.5m, 264.3)
2. Fumihisa Yumoto (119.5m + 127.0m, 238.2)
3. Shûji Endô (115.5m + 113.0m, 202.3)
4. Taihei Katô (NK) (111.0m + 117.0m, 201.4)
5. Daitô Takahashi (NK) (106.0m + 120.0m, 198.8)
6. Yukio Sakano (110.0m + 116.0m, 198.3)
7. Akira Higashi (112.5m + 112.0m, 194.1)
8. Shôta Tanaka (105.0m + 115.0m, 187.5)
9. Kazuya Yoshioka (110.0m + 110.5m, 186.9)
10. Kazuyoshi Funaki (110.5m + 107.5, 182.9)
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